Stone14 9 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) I'm interested in rabbit fox deer, and target practice on a range 25-1000yrd. If you were to only own one rifle, is the 6.5 creedmoor the best all round compromise? or do you prefer .243? I'll also have a 12gauge for pigeon, rabbit, and clay. All this with lead free ammo in mind since we seem to be going that way. Edited September 18, 2021 by Stone14 Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 As soon as you write deer are the 243win out by barrel twist. Both the .243 and 6,5 are a bit much for rabbit ammo cost ~1£ each too. For monometal bullets and deer the .308 cant be beaten. 1 Quote Link to post
Stavross 15,790 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Simple answer is no foxes / small deer .243 covers both rabbits .22lr 99% of people who have FAC have one and I would guess for the majority it was the first rifle they had on their ticket cant answer about range’s because it really doesn’t interest me Quote Link to post
Wolfdog91 7,099 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Honestly for over there if I where to have to have a 6.5 I'd definitely pic the 6.5 grendel. But that's from a hand loading perspective Quote Link to post
Wolfdog91 7,099 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 What about ammo availability over there ? The. 243 is and established calibers for yall with a really good range in bullets. There alot of guys who take it out to 1000 target shooting pretty frequently. Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) You'll never get a rifle granted on good reason where your good reason is to save having to buy more than 1 rifle. It's specifically not a good reason. The only way to justify a rifle via good reason is to show a specific need for it that cannot be fullfilled by any other rifle you hold. As you hold a .243, thats probably going to be long range large deer beyond what might be humane ith a .243, and if you're claiming that, your land will also need to be large enough and open enough to support the claim. If that's not your intention, then heed the advice above. 6.5 is overkill for anything less than deer and expensive compared to .22 cf or rf rounds. As for a good deer rifle. Many choices and some might say look at the 6.8 Western (new) if looking in the 6mm range. If not plenty in the 7mm, .270, 30 calibre range. Edited September 18, 2021 by Alsone 1 Quote Link to post
ianm 2,594 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 13 hours ago, KimE said: As soon as you write deer are the 243win out by barrel twist. Both the .243 and 6,5 are a bit much for rabbit ammo cost ~1£ each too. For monometal bullets and deer the .308 cant be beaten. Except it can! by the 30/06. 1 Quote Link to post
Wolfdog91 7,099 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Alsone said: You'll never get a rifle granted on good reason where your good reason is to save having to buy more than 1 rifle. It's specifically not a good reason. The only way to justify a rifle via good reason is to show a specific need for it that cannot be fullfilled by any other rifle you hold. As you hold a .243, thats probably going to be long range large deer beyond what might be humane ith a .243, and if you're claiming that, your land will also need to be large enough and open enough to support the claim. If that's not your intention, then heed the advice above. 6.5 is overkill for anything less than deer and expensive compared to .22 cf or rf rounds. As for a good deer rifle. Many choices and some might say look at the 6.8 Western (new) if looking in the 6mm range. If not plenty in the 7mm, .270, 30 calibre range. Why the western over the Creedmore ? Honestly don't think the western is gonna be around too long. Seems like another .224Valkarie Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, ianm said: Except it can! by the 30/06. Whats why I wrote .308 as the bullet diameter of both is. 1 Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said: Why the western over the Creedmore ? Honestly don't think the western is gonna be around too long. Seems like another .224Valkarie I dont think 6,8 Western are going to be popular in Europe but with the US army NGSW program and the fast twist rate a new interest may come for the .270s. Finnish ammo manufacturers makes 10g/155gr bullets for the 270win and with a faster twist a 6,8mm bore could shoot monometal bullets in what weight range (for moose and bear). .224 Valkyrie may be taken over by the new hot 6mm ARC for the ar15 platform. Edited September 19, 2021 by KimE Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said: Why the western over the Creedmore ? Honestly don't think the western is gonna be around too long. Seems like another .224Valkarie I wouldn't know tbh. Any new calibre is a guessing game. The Western has the advantage of being based on the next generation military cartridge and traditionally these have endured much more than other cartridges because of the military association. Early indictaions are it's accurate and delivers considerally more energy and range. It also kicks though. Maybe not the most technical of YT channels, but very impressive groupings right out of the box @ 100yds sighting in: If you want a round almost guaranteed to be around for a long time, then pick one the established ones. Edited September 19, 2021 by Alsone Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted September 21, 2021 Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 Is 6.5 creedmoor the best all-rounder? I'm interested in rabbit fox deer, and target practice on a range 25-1000yrd. Good luck!!! Quote Link to post
Stone14 9 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Deker said: Is 6.5 creedmoor the best all-rounder? I'm interested in rabbit fox deer, and target practice on a range 25-1000yrd. Good luck!!! I was hopeful thinking lol Quote Link to post
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