To feed or not to feed

[tod 3]

if i am just having a local lamp for a few hours i dont feed my dogs anything in the day i just feed them when i get home.if i go for an all night job i will give a bit of egg and milk in the morning.

[tod 3]

if i am just having a local lamp for a few hours i dont feed my dogs anything in the day i just feed them when i get home.if i go for an all night job i will give a bit of egg and milk in the morning.

[allgame 0]

i dont know were you hread that only fats give dogs energy but its a load of crap fats are only used after all the carbs are burnt up because carbs are alot easiery for the dogs body to digest and supply a faster burning energy after all the carbs are used fat starts to get used but to burn fat the dog needs a greater oxygen intake then what it needs to burn carbs which in turn slows the dog down as well as building a greater amount of negative by-products after that it starts to burn protiens but its very unlikly anyone runs there dogs to that extent and it should take hours befor all the carbs are gone and by the time you do the dog will porbly be missing every second easy one

[Guest reload]

I split feed, ie: Feed twice aday, its the best way, especially at this time of year when a dog is showing signs of wear, over half way through a season.

 

Ideally feed a dog a breakfast or brunch of good fatty feeds, tripe mince, chicken, beef, but make sure its at least 5 or 6 hours before working the dog hard.

 

DONT feed a huge meal and allow the dog water directly after working the dog its fecking stupid and dangerous, and the best way to kill a dog from bloat. ALWAYS give them a hour at least to settle and to have a drink, then feed a reasonable size meal, remove the water bowl also if possible.

 

I had the first signs of bloat in my dog last week, because like a idiot i fed too much too soon after running them and allowed the dog to have water, I was in a rush to get out ,,,,,,,,,,The dog blew up on me and was whimpering, i nearly had him down the vets...i WAS VERY LUCKY

 

I am no newbie to the management of dogs, but maybe this outlines how easy it can happen??

 

BLOAT KILLS DOGS FAST, AND IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND DONT GET TO THE VETS IN TIME YOU HAVE A DEAD DOG OR THE STOMACH BEING STAPLED.... SO TAKE NOTE OF THE BASIC RULES AND YOU CANT GO FAR WRONG.

 

DONTS

 

1) DONT FEED TOO MUCH TOO SOON AFTER WORK

2) DONT ALLOW THE DOG LOTS OF WATER AFTER EATING A HUGE AMOUNT DIRECTLY AFTER WORK

3) DONT FEED TOO SOON BEFORE WORK LEAVE IT AT LEAST 4 HOURS

4) DONT FEED LARGE MEALS PRIOR TO WORK

 

DO'S

 

1) LET THE DOGS SETTLE AND DRINK BEFORE FEEDING AT LEAST 45 MINS AT THE VERY MINIMUM

2) FEED A SMALLER AMOUNT AFTER A HARD NIGHT

3) FEED A SMALL MEAL 5 HOURS BEFORE WORK OF FATTY FOODS

 

I DONT MEAN TO PREACH BUT THESE THINGS MATTER PEOPLE

[bill88 6]

  reload said:

I split feed, ie: Feed twice aday, its the best way, especially at this time of year when a dog is showing signs of wear, over half way through a season.

 

Ideally feed a dog a breakfast or brunch of good fatty feeds, tripe mince, chicken, beef, but make sure its at least 5 or 6 hours before working the dog hard.

 

DONT feed a huge meal and allow the dog water directly after working the dog its fecking stupid and dangerous, and the best way to kill a dog from bloat. ALWAYS give them a hour at least to settle and to have a drink, then feed a reasonable size meal, remove the water bowl also if possible.

 

I had the first signs of bloat in my dog last week, because like a idiot i fed too much too soon after running them and allowed the dog to have water, I was in a rush to get out ,,,,,,,,,,The dog blew up on me and was whimpering, i nearly had him down the vets...i WAS VERY LUCKY

 

I am no newbie to the management of dogs, but maybe this outlines how easy it can happen??

 

BLOAT KILLS DOGS FAST, AND IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND GET TO THE VETS YOU HAVE A DEAD DOG OR THE STOMACH BEING STAPLED.... SO TAKE NOTE OF THE BASIC RULES AND YOU CANT GO FAR WRONG.

 

DONTS

 

1) DONT FEED TOO MUCH TOO SOON AFTER WORK

2) DONT ALLOW THE DOG LOTS OF WATER AFTER EATING A HUGE AMOUNT DIRECTLY AFTER WORK

3) DONT FEED TOO SOON BEFORE WORK LEAVE IT AT LEAST 4 HOURS

4) DONT FEED LARGE MEALS PRIOR TO WORK

 

DO'S

 

1) LET THE DOGS SETTLE AND DRINK BEFORE FEEDING AT LEAST 45 MINS AT THE VERY MINIMUM

2) FEED A SMALLER AMOUNT AFTER A HARD NIGHT

3) FEED A SMALL MEAL 5 HOURS BEFORE WORK OF FATTY FOODS

 

I DONT MEAN TO PREACH BUT THESE THINGS MATTER PEOPLE

 

 

Good post mate.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Excellent info reload

[socks 32,253]

  allgame said:

i dont know were you hread that only fats give dogs energy but its a load of crap fats are only used after all the carbs are burnt up because carbs are alot easiery for the dogs body to digest and supply a faster burning energy after all the carbs are used fat starts to get used but to burn fat the dog needs a greater oxygen intake then what it needs to burn carbs which in turn slows the dog down as well as building a greater amount of negative by-products after that it starts to burn protiens but its very unlikly anyone runs there dogs to that extent and it should take hours befor all the carbs are gone and by the time you do the dog will porbly be missing every second easy one

 

hey stupid do a little research and then come back on here and apologise DOGS DERIVE THEIR ENERGY FROM FATS FACT .........

[allgame 0]

ya but only after they've run out of carbs to use first were did you hear this shit i just spent over an hour on the net yesterday clarifing what i already new from studying energy systems for the past year as well as nutrition back yourself up theres evidence to prove that dogs use fats as energy but its only a secondary and isnt as good as using carborhydrates so show me were you got dogs only use fats as an energy source nothing in the world only use fats as an energy source you've got the internet look up the three energy systems

[allgame 0]

wanker call me stupid prove your swelf right smart ass

[DiStuRBeD 0]

i'd feed in the morning of a night out

 

if its unplanned then unless as ppl ahve said u got 5 hours till u get out, dont feed

 

as far as im aware carbs aren't as important to dogs as they are to humans

[Guest Frank]

Good one reload.

[Irish Lurcher 1,013]

Just keeping on the subject of fats, how much fat does a running dog need/use to keep him/her at a level when you could run them three a week.

[socks 32,253]

firstly i didnt say dogs ONLY dervive their energy from fats ... but dogs need a fatty diet if they are being worked hard .... of course they can get energy from carbs and protein the same as any other animal .... but a hard worked dog needs a fatty diet FACT .... below is the proof you wanted ... i could go on googling forever to prove to you what i allready knew .... but i think the extracts below will prove my point sufficently .........

 

HAVE A READ .........

 

Endurance athletes are much more dependent upon the oxidative energy systems. These athletes would benefit from a higher percentage of fat in their diet. Some manufactured diets are balanced in this way or a fat based supplement can be added to their normal diet. When the body is burning fat for its energy source it delays muscle glycogen depletion. This action then delays the deleterious effects of fatigue. It has also been shown that burning fat is metabolically cooler than burning protein. Minimizing the increase in body temperature would be beneficial to dogs working in endurance events. This is especially true for dogs working in warmer environments.

 

*** An important note is that it takes four to six weeks for the body to condition itself to benefit from any diet alterations. This is especially true when increasing the fat content. For example, the hunting dog must begin adding the fat supplement at least four to six weeks prior to the beginning of the hunting season. Also, to benefit from the diet change at the beginning of the hunting season, a conditioning or training program must begin at this same time the diet change is initiated to train the body systems to utilize the supplement. ***

 

OR THIS ..........

 

Natural foods that contain nutrients are a high energy source. Most natural foods produce more energy than non natural foods and are regularly used as a energy source. Natural foods that contain the biggest amounts of fats and carbohydrates produce the most energy source. Adding fats to a dogs diet is the main energy source. Most of the food you feed your dog comes with fat already added in, especially in chopped and ground meats.

 

OR THIS EVEN .........

 

Fats

Fats (along with carbohydrates) are the primary sources of energy for the dog. Fat is the most energy-dense nutrient, containing more than twice the energy of carbohydrate and protein. As well as being a source of energy, fats also have other important functions. They are the building blocks for hormones, they help transport fat-soluble vitamins and they are a source of essential fatty acids. In particular, studies have shown that fatty acids omega 6 and omega 3 are critical to skin and coat health and that the optimal ratio between these two fatty acids is 5-10:1.

 

OR PERHAPS THIS .........

 

Fats

 

Per gram fat, 36 kJ is released.

 

Fat provides the most energy and this is also the only source that can be stored long term in large quantities for future use. Fats are broken down to free fatty acids that can travel to hungry cells via the bloodstream. If there are more free fatty acids than needed, these are converted back info fat and stored in fat pads all over the body.

 

On a per gram basis, fats are the most important energy source for dogs. But as about 50% of dog food consists of carbohydrates, those are actually the biggest net energy source.

 

Carbohydrates

 

Per gram carbohydrate, 15 kJ is released.

 

Carbohydrates provide less energy and are stored in small amounts in your dog’s muscles. Carbohydrates deliver energy that can be used for short and quick bursts of energy. Carbohydrates in dog food are broken down to glucose, which can travel via the bloodstream to the hungry energy requiring cells.

 

Both fats and carbohydrates are ‘clean’ fuels.

 

Protein

 

Per gram protein, 15 kJ is released (same amount as for carbohydrates).

 

Proteins should be used to build and repair tissue and not as a primary energy source in dogs. Protein is not a clean fuel as a by-product needs to be excreted from the body via the kidneys into the urine. This waste is urea.

 

The energy that is released from fat, protein and carbohydrates as warmth can only be used by your dog when these ingredients are metabolized (digested and absorbed by his body). The part of the energy that cannot be metabolized is excreted via his feces.

 

OR THEN AGAIN THERE IS THIS .........

 

Sled dogs are trained like top athletes throughout the year, and optimal feeding and nutrition are thus essential to ensuring success. The physiology and metabolism of the dogs show that that they are long-distance runners, who mainly utilise fat and protein as energy sources, and only to a lesser degree carbohydrates. However, the dogs require glucose as an essential source of energy for muscle activity, especially at high intensities.

 

There are different types of sled dog races, including short and long-distance races. Carbohydrates are presumably more important as an energy source on shorter races (20-30 km) at high speeds than on the long-distance races, in which the dogs run at a moderate pace (15 km/h) for many days at low temperatures. On such long races as the Iditarod, it has been shown that high-energy food consisting only of fat and protein provides excellent results. This is an adaptation that has been developed by predators (wolves/dogs), whose natural diet mainly consists of the proteins and fats of their prey, but also includes some carbohydrates.

[Cheshire Poacher 6]

  socks said:

if you normally feed your dog at night then decide to go lamping and not give your dog a meal your are expecting a dog with an empty stomach (empty fuel tank) to run all night and perform well ..... the dog wont have eaten in 24 hours and is then expected to have enough energy reserves to work hard for you !!!!!!!! ... it takes a dog 12 hourse to digest a full meal so feeding a 1/4 of the dogs normal meal 4 to 5 hourse before a lamping session is fine .... dogs get their energy from fats not pasta or eggs or any other amazing type of miracle diet .... FATS SIMPLE AS ... my dogs get fed a 1/4 of their normal meal loaded with fatty meat 4 to 5 hours before a nights lamping ... that way they have enough in the tank to see them throught the night ...........

sSPOT ON THIS IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY A EMPTY TANK MEANS POOR PERFORMENCE SMALL MEAL FEW HOURS BEFORE YOU GO OUT IS JUST THE TICKET

[slip 1]

  Irish Lurcher said:

I am planning a session tonight with a few of the lads round my way.

 

Thing is I need to feed my bitch before I take her out….But……

 

I don’t want to give her the full meal as this I am sure could cause her great discomfort during the session and could end up in a sick dog, now my question is, what’s the best thing to give her that will not fill her, but will keep her going till her full meal>>

she b ok if she had something the day before should still b strong id what till ya got back she wont try as hard for you