Pye bred dogs

[The drover 346]

1 hour ago, mC HULL said:

we be having a run soon mate just make sure you can take it aswell as give it  

All you’ll be hearing is my cackling laugh  

You 2 going out soon ?? Surely not till after November 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

Nice bit of running dog history mate

[mC HULL 12,162]

8 minutes ago, The drover said:

You 2 going out soon ?? Surely not till after November 

[The drover 346]

36 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

[midnighthunter 78]

17 hours ago, Bosun11 said:

Keep thinking about my first reply to this post and keep thinking i should of given the old dog a bit more, rather than try and be almost uninterested... I also should have give Blackmag some help with this too, as he was fighting Pye's corner alone.

As to answer the first part, Pye IMO was a great producer BUT at his best only when linings were kept tight. The two litters he produced with Otter, his litter sister, were top draw. He produced 3/4's & 5/8th's that were also very good. But Pye was put up for general stud and because of his reputation any old bollox was put under him and rightly, many didn't make much cop...

Ten a penny... Well, there were a fair few decent bull cross dogs about then i'd agree, different times. Thing is, Wigan and the surrounding towns, including Manchester (though not Liverpool) were full of decent bull greyhound bred dogs and lets face it, almost all were out of better gear that's around today and almost all were single handed dogs. So what gave the Pye dog a reputation that, at that time, got his name spread and a que to put bitches under him and a reputation both back then and still to this day, with threads like this? The answer to that is that 'if you have to ask, you'll never know'... His ability is NOT to be talked about in detail on an open forum but to use the Wigan lads words on the night as he tore his quarry to bits 'It's sick that dog'... He killed another three that night and i'd seen enough... Thing is, he could run too, that dog could catch every type of quarry put infront of him. He had pace, he had stamina (and just for the record, those that think bull blooded dogs have no wind... I'm sorry but any genuine game bred APBT trained right has stamina aplenty. A dog trained for battle, direct combat, that can last up to two hours plus MUST have stamina. Any fool can see that!)

The same ability can be said for his direct offspring, both Dee and Spike could kill quarry as good as their sire, though they did have more panche about the job! 

I remember being out with Spike, he killed the first 2 of the quarry he was slipped on, (though 'slipped' is the wrong word as he was almost never on a lead and went when told) and when i asked what he was like on rabbits, he caught and carried back his bunny like it was made of glass, with a retrieve of a gun dog and we went on catching rabbits for the rest of the night like he was made for the job! Dee was just the same, as was Ice. As where his 5/8's sons and daughters, Clogg was superb, so was the 5'/8'ths i owned called Dutchess.

The half bred called Buck i had from Dee, to another Pye half cross which went to coursing's CN, was every bit as good as his grandsire. Leggy and rock hard, he could kill his bigger quarry with ease and catch fox, hares and roe on a nights lamping. Fast enough, he caught hares daytime too. Now lets not be under any illusion i'm saying he was any sort of specialist at hares BUT he took enough in his years to prove his speed and strike for what he was, a third gen half bred) Tess was a bit more short and square but she could kill bigger quarry and foxes easily enough, decent on bunnies too, i had some geat bags from her, she could run all night!

Ox, the last line bred half cross i kept, out of Ged (out of Dee) and Tess (out of Spike to a bitch out of Otter) was the image of his grandsire, he was fast and could kill his quarry, i thought he was gonna be real special but he lost an eye in his second real season and though i kept lamping him, he could only kill critters that turned left..! Because of this he ran over the edge of a deep sided drainage ditch out lamping and though i kept him on, sadly he was never the same. There were others in the line that were excellent also.

All the dogs i seen killed like no dogs i've seen since, all dogs mentioned were natural retrievers, all had fine temperaments with both dogs and people.

Some of the dogs mentioned are in my gallery, if anyone wants to look.

As i've said, back down this thread, there are lads who still keep this line tight. Getting harder now, but the blood still exists... I've never met anyone who owned a close bred dog from this line to ever say a bad word about em and almost all wished they still had their dog.

Now, and this is the crux...

By writing all this i'm in no way saying the Pye dog or any of his line are in any way any better than any other line of bull bloods... Back when i seen and owned mine, i didn't know of any other lines of bull greyhounds in the country, the world was a different place back then! So my view of them, us just that, my view. I only know of other lines from what has been written on forums like this over the years since and from a couple of lads i know and trust (they wouldn't keep shite!)

So single handed (fox) dogs are out there, i know that and this is what i know about Pye and his line... BUT my knowlage and views are from years ago, make of that what you will...

 

a great honest  post indeed  bosun atb 

[gnipper 6,411]

18 hours ago, Bosun11 said:

Keep thinking about my first reply to this post and keep thinking i should of given the old dog a bit more, rather than try and be almost uninterested... I also should have give Blackmag some help with this too, as he was fighting Pye's corner alone.

As to answer the first part, Pye IMO was a great producer BUT at his best only when linings were kept tight. The two litters he produced with Otter, his litter sister, were top draw. He produced 3/4's & 5/8th's that were also very good. But Pye was put up for general stud and because of his reputation any old bollox was put under him and rightly, many didn't make much cop...

Ten a penny... Well, there were a fair few decent bull cross dogs about then i'd agree, different times. Thing is, Wigan and the surrounding towns, including Manchester (though not Liverpool) were full of decent bull greyhound bred dogs and lets face it, almost all were out of better gear that's around today and almost all were single handed dogs. So what gave the Pye dog a reputation that, at that time, got his name spread and a que to put bitches under him and a reputation both back then and still to this day, with threads like this? The answer to that is that 'if you have to ask, you'll never know'... His ability is NOT to be talked about in detail on an open forum but to use the Wigan lads words on the night as he tore his quarry to bits 'It's sick that dog'... He killed another three that night and i'd seen enough... Thing is, he could run too, that dog could catch every type of quarry put infront of him. He had pace, he had stamina (and just for the record, those that think bull blooded dogs have no wind... I'm sorry but any genuine game bred APBT trained right has stamina aplenty. A dog trained for battle, direct combat, that can last up to two hours plus MUST have stamina. Any fool can see that!)

The same ability can be said for his direct offspring, both Dee and Spike could kill quarry as good as their sire, though they did have more panche about the job! 

I remember being out with Spike, he killed the first 2 of the quarry he was slipped on, (though 'slipped' is the wrong word as he was almost never on a lead and went when told) and when i asked what he was like on rabbits, he caught and carried back his bunny like it was made of glass, with a retrieve of a gun dog and we went on catching rabbits for the rest of the night like he was made for the job! Dee was just the same, as was Ice. As where his 5/8's sons and daughters, Clogg was superb, so was the 5'/8'ths i owned called Dutchess.

The half bred called Buck i had from Dee, to another Pye half cross which went to coursing's CN, was every bit as good as his grandsire. Leggy and rock hard, he could kill his bigger quarry with ease and catch fox, hares and roe on a nights lamping. Fast enough, he caught hares daytime too. Now lets not be under any illusion i'm saying he was any sort of specialist at hares BUT he took enough in his years to prove his speed and strike for what he was, a third gen half bred) Tess was a bit more short and square but she could kill bigger quarry and foxes easily enough, decent on bunnies too, i had some geat bags from her, she could run all night!

Ox, the last line bred half cross i kept, out of Ged (out of Dee) and Tess (out of Spike to a bitch out of Otter) was the image of his grandsire, he was fast and could kill his quarry, i thought he was gonna be real special but he lost an eye in his second real season and though i kept lamping him, he could only kill critters that turned left..! Because of this he ran over the edge of a deep sided drainage ditch out lamping and though i kept him on, sadly he was never the same. There were others in the line that were excellent also.

All the dogs i seen killed like no dogs i've seen since, all dogs mentioned were natural retrievers, all had fine temperaments with both dogs and people.

Some of the dogs mentioned are in my gallery, if anyone wants to look.

As i've said, back down this thread, there are lads who still keep this line tight. Getting harder now, but the blood still exists... I've never met anyone who owned a close bred dog from this line to ever say a bad word about em and almost all wished they still had their dog.

Now, and this is the crux...

By writing all this i'm in no way saying the Pye dog or any of his line are in any way any better than any other line of bull bloods... Back when i seen and owned mine, i didn't know of any other lines of bull greyhounds in the country, the world was a different place back then! So my view of them, us just that, my view. I only know of other lines from what has been written on forums like this over the years since and from a couple of lads i know and trust (they wouldn't keep shite!)

So single handed (fox) dogs are out there, i know that and this is what i know about Pye and his line... BUT my knowlage and views are from years ago, make of that what you will...

 

Out of interest how come Wigan and Manchester etc had good bull crosses but not Liverpool? 

[zigzag dan 784]

1 hour ago, Greb147 said:

True but breeding is about consistency.

Spot on pal..... It amazes me how people still hold onto the dream that any two animals can consistently throw top class animals....... Do the Arabs take their classic winning mares to Old Bobs gypsy cob down the road .... Why waste your money going to Frankel...... Good breeding takes a long time to obtain in your kennels, stables etc. 

[Bosun11 537]

17 minutes ago, gnipper said:

Out of interest how come Wigan and Manchester etc had good bull crosses but not Liverpool? 

Don't quite know Rob, a few lads i knew in the city did or had owned em in the past but they just didn't seem to take off until lads (me included) started to see what the Pye dogs were all about...

[gasaxeman 167]

15 minutes ago, gnipper said:

Out of interest how come Wigan and Manchester etc had good bull crosses but not Liverpool? 

Rumor has it true or not the bulls were Manchester dogs or were brought in from Manchester hard as coffin nail dogs used for what they were breed for and other stuff besides . Liverpool have there own dogs but there has always been a stronger link to Manchester than Liverpool especially in them days .especially as everybody then was far more territorial than today . A pie eater could go to Manchester no problems for a beer etc not so Liverpool. 

[mC HULL 12,162]

2 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

I’m not giving anything. You’re 36, you said you were out all through the 90s. You’d have been born 1985. That’s not giving anything out, it’s called maths. 
 

Edited to add - why am I not surprised you have an annoying laugh. 

out from 97 mate had a running dog about me since then mate i never said all threw the 90s i said in the 90s which was gospel lol 

i get told me laugh is infectious mate lol 

 

[chartpolski 23,103]

14 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

 

i get told me laugh is infectious mate lol 

 

There's probably a vaccination for it.............

Cheers.

[mC HULL 12,162]

5 hours ago, joe ox said:

Yep mcdull he has loads of collie in, you just keep thinking you know everything its quite amusing 

 

joe sheepy and blacky out with one a there  pet bull lol

 

[mC HULL 12,162]

7 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

There's probably a vaccination for it.............

Cheers.

lol a few times theres even been dogs can cure it for a week lol

[joe ox 2,574]

33 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

joe sheepy and blacky out with one a there  pet bull lol

 

Thats a bit better mcdull you were starting to get boring  

[dytkos 17,783]

5 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

You have a similar attitude to auto mobile care as I do  

Wait till you see my van, it makes Tomo's look concourse  

 Here's, D.