Pye bred dogs

[SheepChaser 8,089]

1 hour ago, joe ox said:

Yep mcdull he has loads of collie in, you just keep thinking you know everything its quite amusing 

 

You have a similar attitude to auto mobile care as I do  

[mC HULL 12,482]

1 hour ago, joe ox said:

Yep mcdull he has loads of collie in, you just keep thinking you know everything its quite amusing 

 

been out with plenty like that joe cracking round an hole

[mC HULL 12,482]

1 hour ago, Greb147 said:

You have to think like this, breeds were created to excel in their fields by breeding the best dogs to the best bitches at their craft.

It's the whole principle of selection, not saying that you can't find a diamond when breeding to sub standard performers but it's all about stacking the deck in your favour.

Regarding Pye though, I'm not knocking the dog when I said it's ten a penny. My point is I doubt it was doing anything exceptional, many bull crosses were single handed dogs.

It's just not everybody feels the need to put their handy dogs up for public stud and to make a name for them.

Some aren’t great but will throw quality mate and most should be well bred anyway unless breeding off pets 

[SheepChaser 8,089]

13 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

been out with plenty like that joe cracking round an hole

Is this when you were going out every night walking 30 miles a night, doing loads of hunting..... during the early 90s when you were 5-10 years old  

Just winding you up  

Ive owned bull x, collie bull grey and saluki bull grey so far. For me, all have been slightly different dogs, with different ups and down sides. But that’s just individual animals, can’t judge the breed. 

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Just now, SheepChaser said:

Is this when you were going out every night walking 30 miles a night, doing loads of hunting..... during the early 90s when you were 5-10 years old  

Just winding you up  

Ive owned bull x, collie bull grey and saluki bull grey so far. For me, all have been slightly different dogs, with different ups and down sides. But that’s just individual animals, can’t judge the breed. 

we be having a run soon mate just make sure you can take it aswell as give it  

All you’ll be hearing is my cackling laugh  

[South hams hunter 8,922]

16 hours ago, Bosun11 said:

Keep thinking about my first reply to this post and keep thinking i should of given the old dog a bit more, rather than try and be almost uninterested... I also should have give Blackmag some help with this too, as he was fighting Pye's corner alone.

As to answer the first part, Pye IMO was a great producer BUT at his best only when linings were kept tight. The two litters he produced with Otter, his litter sister, were top draw. He produced 3/4's & 5/8th's that were also very good. But Pye was put up for general stud and because of his reputation any old bollox was put under him and rightly, many didn't make much cop...

Ten a penny... Well, there were a fair few decent bull cross dogs about then i'd agree, different times. Thing is, Wigan and the surrounding towns, including Manchester (though not Liverpool) were full of decent bull greyhound bred dogs and lets face it, almost all were out of better gear that's around today and almost all were single handed dogs. So what gave the Pye dog a reputation that, at that time, got his name spread and a que to put bitches under him and a reputation both back then and still to this day, with threads like this? The answer to that is that 'if you have to ask, you'll never know'... His ability is NOT to be talked about in detail on an open forum but to use the Wigan lads words on the night as he tore his quarry to bits 'It's sick that dog'... He killed another three that night and i'd seen enough... Thing is, he could run too, that dog could catch every type of quarry put infront of him. He had pace, he had stamina (and just for the record, those that think bull blooded dogs have no wind... I'm sorry but any genuine game bred APBT trained right has stamina aplenty. A dog trained for battle, direct combat, that can last up to two hours plus MUST have stamina. Any fool can see that!)

The same ability can be said for his direct offspring, both Dee and Spike could kill quarry as good as their sire, though they did have more panche about the job! 

I remember being out with Spike, he killed the first 2 of the quarry he was slipped on, (though 'slipped' is the wrong word as he was almost never on a lead and went when told) and when i asked what he was like on rabbits, he caught and carried back his bunny like it was made of glass, with a retrieve of a gun dog and we went on catching rabbits for the rest of the night like he was made for the job! Dee was just the same, as was Ice. As where his 5/8's sons and daughters, Clogg was superb, so was the 5'/8'ths i owned called Dutchess.

The half bred called Buck i had from Dee, to another Pye half cross which went to coursing's CN, was every bit as good as his grandsire. Leggy and rock hard, he could kill his bigger quarry with ease and catch fox, hares and roe on a nights lamping. Fast enough, he caught hares daytime too. Now lets not be under any illusion i'm saying he was any sort of specialist at hares BUT he took enough in his years to prove his speed and strike for what he was, a third gen half bred) Tess was a bit more short and square but she could kill bigger quarry and foxes easily enough, decent on bunnies too, i had some geat bags from her, she could run all night!

Ox, the last line bred half cross i kept, out of Ged (out of Dee) and Tess (out of Spike to a bitch out of Otter) was the image of his grandsire, he was fast and could kill his quarry, i thought he was gonna be real special but he lost an eye in his second real season and though i kept lamping him, he could only kill critters that turned left..! Because of this he ran over the edge of a deep sided drainage ditch out lamping and though i kept him on, sadly he was never the same. There were others in the line that were excellent also.

All the dogs i seen killed like no dogs i've seen since, all dogs mentioned were natural retrievers, all had fine temperaments with both dogs and people.

Some of the dogs mentioned are in my gallery, if anyone wants to look.

As i've said, back down this thread, there are lads who still keep this line tight. Getting harder now, but the blood still exists... I've never met anyone who owned a close bred dog from this line to ever say a bad word about em and almost all wished they still had their dog.

Now, and this is the crux...

By writing all this i'm in no way saying the Pye dog or any of his line are in any way any better than any other line of bull bloods... Back when i seen and owned mine, i didn't know of any other lines of bull greyhounds in the country, the world was a different place back then! So my view of them, us just that, my view. I only know of other lines from what has been written on forums like this over the years since and from a couple of lads i know and trust (they wouldn't keep shite!)

So single handed (fox) dogs are out there, i know that and this is what i know about Pye and his line... BUT my knowlage and views are from years ago, make of that what you will...

 

fantastic honest and objective post bosun, as always you never fail to impress 

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6 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

fantastic honest and objective post bosun, as always you never fail to impress 

Thank you

[SheepChaser 8,089]

21 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

we be having a run soon mate just make sure you can take it aswell as give it  

All you’ll be hearing is my cackling laugh  

I’m not giving anything. You’re 36, you said you were out all through the 90s. You’d have been born 1985. That’s not giving anything out, it’s called maths. 
 

Edited to add - why am I not surprised you have an annoying laugh. 

Edited August 18, 2021 by SheepChaser

[Greb147 6,809]

50 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Some aren’t great but will throw quality mate and most should be well bred anyway unless breeding off pets 

That's it, it's about stacking the odds in your favour mate.

Always better to breed to quality animals if you can mate.

[SheepChaser 8,089]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

That's it, it's about stacking the odds in your favour mate.

Always better to breed to quality animals if you can mate.

That goes for anything and shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp. Good plus crap can produce good but good plus good more likely to produce good. 

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10 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

That goes for anything and shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp. Good plus crap can produce good but good plus good more likely to produce good. 

i was told years ago; anything can produce a freak. a good dog would be a freak to some linage

[South hams hunter 8,922]

40 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

we be having a run soon mate just make sure you can take it aswell as give it  

All you’ll be hearing is my cackling laugh  

has anyone took you up on your offer yet? youve offered every member a run now aint ya

[mC HULL 12,482]

2 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

has anyone took you up on your offer yet? youve offered every member a run now aint ya

Few have mate up for a run 

[Greb147 6,809]

14 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

i was told years ago; anything can produce a freak. a good dog would be a freak to some linage

True but breeding is about consistency.

[mC HULL 12,482]

6 minutes ago, All-terrain said:

Around that time when the pics wer taken we was out a few nights a week, The pye dogs was always there week in week out, they’d be as keen to run at 7:30 in the morning after a loads of runs as they was at 11-12 at night, great dogs and great times, atb A-t 

How many dogs in the motor each night mate