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[Greb147 6,809]

20 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Greb have you ever put your hands on one?don't take alot to subdue them when a dog has a ear/cheek hold...

No never had a pig but they are just the same as a bull, the ear hold is just like the nose hold on cattle, the pain subdues them.

That's why to me you can't really call pig dogs game dogs, if I pig kills a dog it happens very quickly when a cutter opens up a bleeder, the dog doesn't really register what's happened and it just bleeds out.

It's not like a terrier taking lots of stick to its face and feeling constant pain, that's why lesser dogs will hold on to a pig whilst they would jack on things that bite back.

 

[Aussie Whip 4,134]

4 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

The poor animals get a bad do, with the wannabe hard men going up abs throwing multiple dogs on one just to prove how tough they are. They deserve a bit of respect like any other quarry. 

I agree, most pig hunters, in Oz at least have serious ego problems and are not dogmen at all imo. To be fair if you run into a big mountain boar one dog isn't going to cut it. If you don't respect the boars and take them lightly you can easily be killed.

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2 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

No never had a pig but they are just the same as a bull, the ear hold is just like the nose hold on cattle, the pain subdues them.

The only thing with holding the ear is the pig can't get a hook in ,nothing like a nose hold to subdue cattle.

[Aussie Whip 4,134]

And good dogs lay up against the pig while lugging. It's why two dogs are better.

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6 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

The only thing with holding the ear is the pig can't get a hook in ,nothing like a nose hold to subdue cattle.

So you're saying pigs feel the pain when a dog gets a ear hold?

And of course it helps prevent the pig from getting a hold on the dog but my point remains.

A subdued pig isn't giving the dog proper stick, hence why you don't need a deep game dog.

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7 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Many bulls you done

Bull nose rings are the same practice just of the non canine kind.

[SheepChaser 8,089]

Lost the photos of the good ones but heres one I dug up. 

[Greb147 6,809]

Just now, W. Katchum said:

Are you sure?

Yep, a nose ring is used to control the bull via pain.

Now I'm sure that not all bulls comply with that idea, I've seen clips of dogs doing the same.

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16 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

No never had a pig but they are just the same as a bull, the ear hold is just like the nose hold on cattle, the pain subdues them.

That's why to me you can't really call pig dogs game dogs, if I pig kills a dog it happens very quickly when a cutter opens up a bleeder, the dog doesn't really register what's happened and it just bleeds out.

It's not like a terrier taking lots of stick to its face and feeling constant pain, that's why lesser dogs will hold on to a pig whilst they would jack on things that bite back.

 

They also bite, and use their surroundings to crush a dog, ie off a tree. Obviously not the small ones, but big sows and boars can do a lot of damage. Have seen one killed, carried a couple out while plugging the wounds and seen a few more real sore, bruised, battered and pissing blood. 

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Just now, Greb147 said:

So you're saying pigs feel the pain when a dog gets a ear hold?

And of course it helps prevent the pig from getting a hold on the dog but my point remains.

A subdued pig isn't giving the dog proper stick, hence why you don't need a deep game dog.

I think you are underestimating how tough the boars are. We caught a 100kg one near home when we were just exercising the dogs and it dragged six pigdogs down hill with me on it's back and the mrs holding it's tail about 80m before I could get a knife in, lol.

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2 minutes ago, Aussie Whip said:

I think you are underestimating how tough the boars are. We caught a 100kg one near home when we were just exercising the dogs and it dragged six pigdogs down hill with me on it's back and the mrs holding it's tail about 80m before I could get a knife in, lol.

Had one go through two stock fences with a good bull bitch attached to it (unfortunately underneath), getting stamped and dragged. All be it, down hill.

 

For the record all pig hunting activities occur / occurred in Europe where it’s legal. 

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2 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

Look I’m not calling you out here but a ring goes through the septum of a bull, as it real sensitive, a dog couldn’t get the septum, how could it, especially one with a flat face like the ole bull baiters claimed to use, most bulls dropped by a dog so so out of fatigue pal, that’s all

Dogs were used to control cattle mate.

What do you think bull baiting was pal?

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Just now, SheepChaser said:

Had one go through two stock fences with a good bull bitch attached to it (unfortunately underneath), getting stamped and dragged. All be it, down hill.

 

For the record all pig hunting activities occur / occurred in Europe where it’s legal. 

The one in the pic looks like the proper wild boar, we only have feral pigs here, thank God, lol.

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1 minute ago, Aussie Whip said:

The one in the pic looks like the proper wild boar, we only have feral pigs here, thank God, lol.

It was indeed. I wouldn’t mind a go on some of your Ferals. Need myself an invite  

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2 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Dogs were used to control cattle mate.

That's where the ACD's come in with rogue cattle at muster, grabbing the nose and giving the animal a hiding so it rejoins the herd.