Daniel cain 45,661 Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 hours ago, poxon said: Or it could be a backwards step an take away rather than add But that could happen if you put 2 of the same types together...nothings guaranteed when your breeding dogs mate...but if you know the line well enough,then you will notice the traits you desire or don't want and cull appropriately...there can be no time for sentiment if your serious... 4 Quote Link to post
poxon 5,742 Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Daniel cain said: But that could happen if you put 2 of the same types together...nothings guaranteed when your breeding dogs mate...but if you know the line well enough,then you will notice the traits you desire or don't want and cull appropriately...there can be no time for sentiment if your serious... I know nothing is guaranteed with any Lurchers is the short straws game but it seems pointless adding bull if the collie beddy x is doing the job you require an that’s the type you like an you now the line well enough it seems pointless adding it tbh what is it offering if the beddy collie x will kill Fox an take deer down if the law was different may as well just get a bull x to begin with if you want bull blood if it’s a more teeth dog that’s required 2 Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, poxon said: I know nothing is guaranteed with any Lurchers is the short straws game but it seems pointless adding bull if the collie beddy x is doing the job you require an that’s the type you like an you now the line well enough it seems pointless adding it tbh what is it offering if the beddy collie x will kill Fox an take deer down if the law was different may as well just get a bull x to begin with if you want bull blood if it’s a more teeth dog that’s required Agreed... Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 Can't recall if i've ever been out with a dog of this type, don't think so... Recon this cross has much to commend it and I can recall Lloydy's Moocher dog in that vid and remember tninking how handy it looked as a youngster. Yer, as a good 'ol knock about lurcher this cross is just the ticket, i'm surprised they ain't more popular. Quote Link to post
OldPhil 5,801 Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) Edited June 28, 2021 by OldPhil 11 Quote Link to post
Daniel cain 45,661 Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, poxon said: I know nothing is guaranteed with any Lurchers is the short straws game but it seems pointless adding bull if the collie beddy x is doing the job you require an that’s the type you like an you now the line well enough it seems pointless adding it tbh what is it offering if the beddy collie x will kill Fox an take deer down if the law was different may as well just get a bull x to begin with if you want bull blood if it’s a more teeth dog that’s required Every line overtime will eventually need a little something fresh to pep it up ...some folks are honest about it..some not,there's some smart lookers of this type on here,I really like the type,I'm not knocking them I'd just swap the collie for bull 1 Quote Link to post
gaza 508 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 Bred the same way but bit of whippet in there. 6 Quote Link to post
tatsblisters 9,974 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 I had this mix of lurcher for years and caught a fair few items of edible game i also crossed them together and got some totally different type of dog's in the litters ranging from a 27tts smooth haired dog to a 21tts small rough haired bitch i out crossed them to First cross saluki greyhounds once to a dog that came down from Durham owned by a lad called Latchy and the second time to my own fx out of GF Luke a couple of them made decent roe dog's and other edible game and one blue bitch i had even though they weren't 100yd slips killed 3 out of 3 hares on the well known six mile bottom in the company of mates from London. They were not world beaters by a long chalk and their were better dog's about. Quote Link to post
tatsblisters 9,974 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 hours ago, OldPhil said: Good old Moocher... Did you breed this dog yourself Phil only reason i ask a mate got a lurcher pup from a chap at a show down south in the 80s and was of this breeding the bitch turned out to be a bit of a yipper and could not be trusted around kids it ended up with a known dog man from Doncaster who featured in one of your year books in the chapter not just a battle dog.The bitch was a black rough haired type called Kelly if i recall correctly. Quote Link to post
LamperNM 117 Posted June 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 hours ago, gaza said: Bred the same way but bit of whippet in there. Very similar stamp to my bitch.. Quote Link to post
OldPhil 5,801 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) On 24/06/2021 at 09:50, tatsblisters said: Did you breed this dog yourself Phil only reason i ask a mate got a lurcher pup from a chap at a show down south in the 80s and was of this breeding the bitch turned out to be a bit of a yipper and could not be trusted around kids it ended up with a known dog man from Doncaster who featured in one of your year books in the chapter not just a battle dog.The bitch was a black rough haired type called Kelly if i recall correctly. Hi Tats,.no the dog was bred from a collie/Grey bitch owned by Tony, a full-time rabbit catcher from Burnley.. I originally met the guy at the Waterloo Cup, and he was raving about the sagacity and working abilities of his rabbiting gal, so I had to take a look. He was spot on about her and I said if he ever bred a litter, please keep me in mind... When the bitch came in season, Tony told me to come on up and get a pup.. The Sire of Moocher was Gary Hosker's Bedlington Lurcher , Spud... Gary had pick of litter and offered it to me,...initially as a gift,..but when I travelled up,...he asked me for £50... No problems,...I paid my money and took the jukel back down South. I trained Moocher to a fairly high standard and his catching and retrieving to hand, was top-class... It was difficult for a dog, initially bred to work the 'tops' on the Dales to fit into woodland rabbiting... Catching bolted conies in dense woodland requires a determined type of lurcher, one that will fully commit to a one chance only,.. strike,..whilst hopefully not snapping his neck or legs... Woodland hunting can be dangerous He found it hard at first, but I schooled him slowly and everything fell nicely into place. I caught rabbits, hares and foxes with him, (we even took him to the Fens).. he managed to get a good run on a hare and eventually captured it when they both leapt into a deep water -filled ditch....We managed to get everything on VHS, ..it was quite a sight... Anyway,.my business partner and great friend,Robin Tarrant had just lost his own lurcher through the Big C and was looking for another rabbit dog... Him and Moocher were great pals.. I'll never forget the day we were at a big old Lurcher Show in Telford... We were there with our Second -Hand Movie Camera,.. I had the crazy idea of making a film depicting the Lurcher Showing, Obedience and Racing events,..I felt that it might be a good seller...Mind you, to produce such an epic required meeting and interviewing a whole lot of ultra-competitive folk, that quite frankly, were not to my taste, so,.I abandoned the idea At the show, I was approached by a big old guy,.he looked to be a serious kinda fish, and he wanted to buy Moocher. He offered me £200 cash,..( a lot of vonga back then) but I turned him down,...I just didn't like the fecker.... I could see Robin looking a tad forlorn, so I said, 'You like this juke don't ya,..and he likes you, I know this"... "Do you want him?".....Robin was beaming as I handed him the lead.... The guy with the cash was not so happy, and shouted across at me,..."You are fecking nuts".... Of course, he was not far off the mark,...we all know this Funnily enough, Robin for some strange reason, immediately entered Moocher in the Gundog Scurry... It was a speed event type of thing and predictably, Mooch won it easily.. Robin offered me the girt big bag of dog food that was the prize,..but I declined.... I only feed raw... Edited June 28, 2021 by OldPhil 11 Quote Link to post
tatsblisters 9,974 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, OldPhil said: Hi Tats,.no the dog was bred from a collie/Grey bitch owned by Tony, a full-time rabbit catcher from Burnley.. I originally met the guy at the Waterloo Cup, and he was raving about the sagacity and working abilities of his rabbiting gal, so I had to take a look. He was spot on about her and I said if he ever bred a litter, please keep me in mind... When the bitch came in season, Tony told me to come on up and get a pup.. The Sire of Moocher was Gary Hosker's Bedlington Lurcher , Spud... Gary had pick of litter and offered it to me,...initially as a gift,..but when I travelled up,...he asked e for £50... No problems,...I paid my money and took the jukel back down South. I trained Moocher to a fairly high standard and his catching and retrieving to hand, was top-class... It was difficult for a dog, initially bred to work the 'tops' on the Dales to fit into woodland rabbiting... Catching bolted conies in dense woodland requires a determined type of lurcher, one that will fully commit to that, one chance only strike,..whilst hopefully not snapping his neck or legs...Woodland hunting can be dangerous He found it hard at first, but I schooled him well and everything fell nicely into place. I caught rabbits, hares and foxes with him, (we even took him to the Fens)... he managed to get a good run on a hare and eventually captured it when they both leapt into a deep water -filled ditch.... We managed to get everything on VHS, ..it was quite a sight... Anyway,.my business partner and great friend,Robin Tarrant had just lost his own lurcher through the Big C and was looking for another rabbit dog...I'll never forget the day we were at a big old Lurcher Show in Telford... I had the crazy idea of making a movie depicting the Lurcher Showing, Obedience and Racing events,..I felt that it might be a good seller...Mind you, to produce such an epic required meeting and interviewing a whole lot of ultra-competitive folk, that quite frankly, were not to my taste, so,.I abandoned the idea At the show, I was approached by a big old guy,.he looked to be a serious kinda fish, and he wanted to buy Moocher. He offered me £200 cash,..( a lot of vonga back then) but I turned him down,...I just didn't like the fecker.... I could see Robin looking a tad forlorn, so I said, 'You like this juke don't ya,..and he likes you, I know this"... "Do you want him?".....Robin was beaming as I handed him the lead.... The guy with the cash was not so happy, and shouted across at me,..."You are fecking nuts".... Of course, he was not far off the mark,...we all know this Funnily enough, Robin for some strange reason, immediately entered Moocher in the Gundog Scurry... It was a speed event type of thing and predictably, Mooch won it easily.. Robin offered me the girt big bag of dog food that was the prize,..but I declined....I only feed raw... Thanks for the reply all the best. Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,311 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Bosun11 said: Can't recall if i've ever been out with a dog of this type, don't think so... Recon this cross has much to commend it and I can recall Lloydy's Moocher dog in that vid and remember tninking how handy it looked as a youngster. Yer, as a good 'ol knock about lurcher this cross is just the ticket, i'm surprised they ain't more popular. yes the old nighthunter vid....i remember that....he did look good on it i remember thinking the same picking out rabbits with the lamp on the stubble....got double figures if i think.... i hate lamping stubble i can never bloody see the dam things...and its so noisy 2 Quote Link to post
Moocher71 4,050 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 No collie in the mix but first x bedy grey 1 Quote Link to post
low plains drifter 10,626 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 On 22/06/2021 at 20:06, shaaark said: Very good point right there P. Been saying the same for years. Don't really know where all the competetive shite has come from, ie; I caught 25 last night, yeah?, I caught 30 AND a hare, yeah?, I caught 30, 2 hares AND a fox etc etc! Who actually gives a f**k?! As long as people get out and catch a few, with the cross/type they like, surely that's ALL THAT MATTERS?! We're going through a transitional period, the instinct to hunt still burns strong in some of us, but the necessity isn't always there, say if a case has a yarking freezer full of chicken nuggets, turkey twizzlers, and crinkle cut oven chips, aswell as a crate of beans, and a tin of custard creams etc, there's a chance the said case isn't going to be hightailing it back to the hovel to disrobe the recently acquired Coney, and pull an onion from the plot. I believe an overly high blood sugar level can result in the overflow of banter sometimes building up to the suggestion of an offliner, and happy shopper jam rolls at five paces You know? Quote Link to post
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