Saluki's and their crosses.

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49 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

id say that saluki lurcher mate baghdad got its brindle from a uk import 

yeah all started with 'Simply Fizzy'

All those other Kizzy Pharaoh dogs and crosses and not one of them brindle

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16 minutes ago, shaaark said:

What about all the other breeds that are brindle, surely they can't all be bred down from a brindle greyhound or bull terrier?!  Lol. Basenjis, for example, originate from the congo, tan, tricolour,  and brindle. 

Loads of dog breeds come with brindle colouring, can't all be descended from greyhound or bull blood.

I've seen brindle cows lol 

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8 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

I think the argument is that if they are not always throwing brindle it won't just lay dormant for years and years to emerge out of nowhere, they are saying that it must have happened relatively recently. 

 

4 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

 I looked into this subject (Brindle in Salukis) and my conclusion is, that despite the fact,that there are three genes which could and can mask the brindle gene kbr, it would be basically impossible to carry the brindle gene hidden for more, than one, or two generations. So, regardless how many old photos exist to show brindle Salukis, or Saluki type dogs in the middle east from 10-50-150 years ago, the brindle gene could only have survived, if it was bred continuously. It is impossible for the gene to reappear in the breed, after10-50-100 years of being dormant. One of the gene, which could mask brindle is, the dominant black, KB on the K (blacK) locus, is rare in the USA and Gr.Brittan and does not exist in Salukis in Australia, or I just haven't seen any so far in 25 years, or so. The second gene, the recessive black a/a on the agouti locus, also doesn't exist in Salukis. The only gene in Salukis, which could and can mask, and so carry hidden, the brindle gene in Australia is the recessive, or so called extention yellow e/e. This gene exist in Salukis, but because this is the only masking gene in existence in Salukis in Australia, the only way it could mask the brindle colour is, if recessive yellow e/e Saluki was to bred to recessive yellow e/e Saluki, which hardly ever happens, and definitely not for generation after generation, and especially not for 10-50-100 years. While theoretically is possible, in practice it could never happen. If a recessive yellow e/e Saluki is bred to any other coloured Saukis, including dominant yellow Ay on the agouti locus, which genetic make up have to be E/e, or E/E on the extention locus, or to dominant black KB Salukis, which would have to be E/E, or E/e in constitution on the extention locus discarding the mask gene EM at the moment, brindle kbr would be produced in the first, or second generation, if the recessive yellow e/e Saluki was a hidden brindle carrier, and even faster if the dominant black Saluki carried the brindle gene hidden as well KB/kbr on the K (blacK) locus. So brindle would be impossible to be carried hidden in Salukis for more than a few generations at the most, in a single kennel (with yellow e/e to yellow e/e mating all the time) and virtually, completely impossible in the breed as a whole! The dogs, which are known hidden brindle carriers, exist in breeds, which accept the brindle, black and different kind of yellow to red shades of colours in their standard, thus the brindle gene kbr, one of the black gene KB, or a/a and both yellow genes Ay and e/e must exist in those breeds! One of this breed is the Afghan Hound. Another one is the French Bulldog. And so on, but all these breeds hide the brindle gene only for one, or two generations, not for years, or tens of years. I mean, that is just absurd."

That particular thread is 178 pages.

I remember reading a fair bit of it, with a few people countering, very plausibly and scientifically, against the people claiming that brindle 'must be' the result from crossing to greyhounds with the brindle gene, that it is indeed entirely possible to still get purebred,  brindle salukis.

I don't care either way, I'm never going to own one lol.  It's just interesting reading that sort of info.

 

[Gilbey 1,478]

2 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

Lawrence of Arabia 

That's in a book at home, sure it's a captain somebody? Not T E Lawrence, one of the dogs Snorter?

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5 minutes ago, Gilbey said:

I've seen brindle cows lol 

Obviously bull blooded. 

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10 minutes ago, Gilbey said:

yeah all started with 'Simply Fizzy'

All those other Kizzy Pharaoh dogs and crosses and not one of them brindle

brindle come in with ballyreagan bob if you don’t breed from brindle i think you lose it 

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12 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Obviously bull blooded. 

If it crops up as a mutation in other dogs, why not salukis

 

9 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

brindle come in with ballyreagan bob if you don’t breed from brindle i think you lose it 

Yeah I was meaning in the other purebred K P dogs

Edited January 21, 2022 by Gilbey
Sodding phone

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6 minutes ago, shaaark said:

 

That particular thread is 178 pages.

I remember reading a fair bit of it, with a few people countering, very plausibly and scientifically, against the people claiming that brindle 'must be' the result from crossing to greyhounds with the brindle gene, that it is indeed entirely possible to still get purebred,  brindle salukis.

I don't care either way, I'm never going to own one lol.  It's just interesting reading that sort of info.

 

I won't at this rate.

Speaking of pures, some swear by em and others say stay away, I suppose the only way to ever find out if they're worth a carrot is by trying one out. 

In my view they should be able to catch hares on any field that any other cross can, if not then are they really all that. 

 

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Im sure the English Kc would have got them baned  worldwide if they could. Where did the first brindle come from or the first smooth. And why are they getting smooths off feathered pare now.

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15 minutes ago, Gilbey said:

That's in a book at home, sure it's a captain somebody? Not T E Lawrence, one of the dogs Snorter?

I remember once seeing an think it was a patha news clip of Lawrence riding a camel with a few salukis accompanying him I saw this pic when I was trying to find it and assumed it was him.

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4 hours ago, Greb147 said:

I won't at this rate.

Speaking of pures, some swear by em and others say stay away, I suppose the only way to ever find out if they're worth a carrot is by trying one out. 

In my view they should be able to catch hares on any field that any other cross can, if not then are they really all that. 

 

f**k knows!! Lol.  But I've been googling like a slave, you can also get tazis and afghan hounds and a few other sighthound types that will have no greyhound blood in them, in brindle.  

Need a lie down

Edited January 21, 2022 by shaaark

[mush 204]

Seen some of the baghdad coursing, done good job.

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1 minute ago, shaaark said:

f**k knows!! Lol.  But I've been googling like a slave, you can also get tazis and aghan hounds and a few other sighthound types that will have no greyhound blood in them, in brindle.  

Need a lie down

It's just the connoisseurs getting premenstrual, it won't have a bearing on performance. 

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6 minutes ago, mush said:

Im sure the English Kc would have got them baned  worldwide if they could. Where did the first brindle come from or the first smooth. And why are they getting smooths off feathered pare now.

every so often 2 feathered will produce a smooth mate 

[Greb147 6,809]

Lads on here can't agree on wether pures are much cop. 

Some of the old boys on here who have been involved with some of the top lads and dogs of the past claim they are the real deal but others have had bad experiences with them. 

Maybe they are really a specialist running dog and need the bigger land to really shine but to me if a coursing bred can excel on the bigger land as well as on the smaller fields it's a no brainer surely?