My we acd x

[OldPhil 5,677]

On 19/09/2021 at 23:37, Aussie Whip said:

You should get a good long working life with that cross and few injuries.

Too right Cobber

I bred these types back in the 1980's,...worked them all over the UK,..I reckon I got my money's worth

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by OldPhil

[Black neck 15,875]

2 hours ago, Bearfoot said:

Well done d 24pnd wee dog built fr rabbits 22 23 inch legs like a pailing stab

24 pound is that the foot

[Aussie Whip 4,092]

6 hours ago, OldPhil said:

I bred these types back in the 1980's,...worked them all over the UK,..I reckon I got my money's worth

Phil, did these dogs guard as well as hunt? I haven't owned one myself but have hunted with a mates acd/ grey when younger but can't remember if it guarded. I was thinking of a dual purpose lurcher when my old bulldog crosses pass on.

[OldPhil 5,677]

On 21/09/2021 at 00:18, Aussie Whip said:

Phil, did these dogs guard as well as hunt? I haven't owned one myself but have hunted with a mates acd/ grey when younger but can't remember if it guarded. I was thinking of a dual purpose lurcher when my old bulldog crosses pass on.

Hi mate,...yeah,..as you would undoubtedly know,...Heelers are usually real suspicious of strangers, and usually make good guards,..they seem to do this instinctively. 

My original stock was incredibly varied,.not only in their basic physique, but also in temperament.

My old bitch Speckle was kind and gentle, and although she would sometimes rag feral cats and foxes, she rarely killed a rabbit and never raised a growl, at a human...Mind you, I brought her up real soft and was always good to her.

Others I've had, would certainly guard, attack, and unfortunately bite, nosey folk.

I realised early on, in my 1980's breeding programme, that these unique lurcher types were not going to be suitable for every enthusiast of the running dog composites,..accordingly, I kept my progress, whether good or bad, a bity of a secret.

In answer to your question ,..yes, I do believe that although it often depends upon the individual dog,.most ACD lurchers will have a guarding instinct deep down within them...as to whether the handler wants to bring it out,... is entirely his decision 

Stay safe now Brother, all the best, OldPhil.

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by OldPhil

[Neal 1,857]

On 20/09/2021 at 09:57, stevemac said:

Nothing alike in temperment slightly alike in looks. Would think the add would be better on anything that likes to fight back. 

As Phil says in a later post, ACDs have a bit of a reputation for being "a bit funny" with strangers. I've had several occasions when people will give my pure kelpies a wide berth as they've assumed that they were "like those Australian cattle dogs" and were therefore not 100% trustworthy. 

I met one chap, many years ago, who'd nearly come a cropper while camping in Australia and taking a shortcut across a field with a heeler in it...he just about made it to the fence with his trousers intact.

Also as Phil says (he knows his stuff) temperaments vary a lot even within 'friendly' or 'unfriendly' breeds. My five have varied a lot. My first was an extreme one-man dog. He wasn't unfriendly, just couldn't see the point in socialising with other people once he'd left puppyhood. Then, once he met my future wife and gradually accepted her, he realized that other humans were acceptable too and became my regular meet-and-greet dog. I even took him into the school where I was working as a foundation stage teacher to put on a sheepdog/ferreting demonstration for the class as a precursor to a country show we took them to. Conversely, one of my bitches would avoid any contact with any human or dog at any expense while my current three year old is one of the friendliest dogs I've ever met. All things being equal (which they rarely are) I'd describe the 'average' kelpie temperament as a friendly one-man dog. Does that make sense? Kind of like, "I'll say hello to you and you can stroke me but I'm not too sure about you coming in my house."

[nothernlite 18,077]

Another good we morning learning bolted a few for her 

[brambles 3,192]

3 hours ago, nothernlite said:

Another good we morning learning bolted a few for her 

Have the beddies been retired 

[nothernlite 18,077]

27 minutes ago, brambles said:

Have the beddies been retired 

There out sunday just sorting the pup out first like to get it out itself a good few times

[stevemac 433]

On 21/09/2021 at 20:16, Neal said:

As Phil says in a later post, ACDs have a bit of a reputation for being "a bit funny" with strangers. I've had several occasions when people will give my pure kelpies a wide berth as they've assumed that they were "like those Australian cattle dogs" and were therefore not 100% trustworthy. 

I met one chap, many years ago, who'd nearly come a cropper while camping in Australia and taking a shortcut across a field with a heeler in it...he just about made it to the fence with his trousers intact.

Also as Phil says (he knows his stuff) temperaments vary a lot even within 'friendly' or 'unfriendly' breeds. My five have varied a lot. My first was an extreme one-man dog. He wasn't unfriendly, just couldn't see the point in socialising with other people once he'd left puppyhood. Then, once he met my future wife and gradually accepted her, he realized that other humans were acceptable too and became my regular meet-and-greet dog. I even took him into the school where I was working as a foundation stage teacher to put on a sheepdog/ferreting demonstration for the class as a precursor to a country show we took them to. Conversely, one of my bitches would avoid any contact with any human or dog at any expense while my current three year old is one of the friendliest dogs I've ever met. All things being equal (which they rarely are) I'd describe the 'average' kelpie temperament as a friendly one-man dog. Does that make sense? Kind of like, "I'll say hello to you and you can stroke me but I'm not too sure about you coming in my house."

Being an Australian I think it is in bred in us to as wary of a cattle dogs as they are of strangers. Haha My best mate that bred them most his life had a dog when we were young that would guard his land rover at the beach while he surfed we all knew never go anywhere near his truck when he wasn't there. His later dogs were much more bidabel and great hunters

[Neal 1,857]

I must admit, I was a little surprized at how friendly mine were/are as I'd assumed (with the little knowledge I had of kelpies over twenty years ago) that they'd be more similar in temperament to cattle dogs. I've only had one which actively avoided people and the others have ranged from initially wary to "Hello Mr Burglar! Come in!"

[Aussie Whip 4,092]

7 minutes ago, Neal said:

I must admit, I was a little surprized at how friendly mine were/are as I'd assumed (with the little knowledge I had of kelpies over twenty years ago) that they'd be more similar in temperament to cattle dogs. I've only had one which actively avoided people and the others have ranged from initially wary to "Hello Mr Burglar! Come in!"

My grandmother had a red kelpie that was as, or more protective than a acd of my mum as a baby and attacked quite a few people that went near her. It was a failed stock dog that was scared of a whip cracking. That was back in 1946.

[nothernlite 18,077]

Couple photos from the other day 

[stevemac 433]

Never been as wary of kelpies as I am cattle dogs though as you say there's always the odd one to keep your eye on. I have known a few kelpie males that like to be king of the the hill the trouble being they will bite off more then they can chew which often does end well for them. But great working dogs with bucket loads of energy no surprise when you consider the type of country they were developed for.

[Neal 1,857]

I've never been to Australia but I get the impression that "us poms" have no idea how harsh it is out there for working dogs. We sneak about in the early or late part of the day in the height of summer whereas if your dogs couldn't accept those temperatures (and then some) they simply wouldn't be bred from.

Unfortunately, there seem to be a few people in the U.K. who feel that the majority of the credit for the Australian herding breeds should go to the individuals who bred their Scottish/Northern English ancestors with little recourse to what was done after they left here.

[nothernlite 18,077]

Had the acd out with a beddy x today 15 month and she showed him u.lol most were got in the longnet