Vaccine

[riohog 5,701]

5 minutes ago, Francie said:

Il try last time to explain my question.

The flu shot has a weakened live virus in it,the covid ain't. 

When you get flu shot with the weakened virus inside,your immune system reacts to the weakened virus,an creates antibodies? 

You get bit sick or might not? 

So when you get the new covid vaccine,it has no weakened virus at all,so what do s the immune system responding to? 

Is it the actual vaccine itself,or is it reacting to what the vaccine is telling body what to do?

 

 i dont give a fling f..k what it does  ,im 68 years old if it gives me some protection aginst the virus  im happy .id rather feel abit shitty for a couple of days than be stuck on a ventilator ..

[Francie 6,368]

Just now, Born Hunter said:

The actual vaccine itself.

Goodman so that leads me to another question,an quite possibly answers why the reaction to the second

 

When the adaptive immune system is building the antibodies against the vaccine it might not be very accurate? 

If the immune system is reacting to something that's it been told to rather than a weakened virus,then maybe the new tech is not accurate enough,maybe that's why folk are reacting to the second jab,when they technically shouldn't be?

[WILF 46,646]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

Il try last time to explain my question.

The flu shot has a weakened live virus in it,the covid ain't. 

When you get flu shot with the weakened virus inside,your immune system reacts to the weakened virus,an creates antibodies? 

You get bit sick or might not? 

So when you get the new covid vaccine,it has no weakened virus at all,so what do s the immune system responding to? 

Is it the actual vaccine itself,or is it reacting to what the vaccine is telling body what to do?

 

I think you have to think about stuff in terms you can understand mate.

I don’t know what your level of formal education is but I have precisely none !

So, as interesting as how these things work is (and they are) I think if the seeking of information is to help on decisions of wether to have the vaccine or not then it has to be something lads like me can understand.

So what I understand is that I seem to be a risk group because of age, weigh, ex smoker blah blah

I understand that I have responsibility’s that nobody can step in and take over from me.

I understand that so many millions have died of Covid and I understand that so many millions have had a jab and are fine so far.

I understand that people ingest shit every day into their body that they shouldn’t, from recreational drugs cut up in some filthy skag den  to a bag of chips dripping with trans fats and made with potatoes sprayed to f**k With RoundUp!

Balance of probability tells me personally, just roll up the sleeve and protect myself in the only way I can.

Everything else is WAY above my level mate  

[Francie 6,368]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

Goodman so that leads me to another question,an quite possibly answers why the reaction to the second

 

When the adaptive immune system is building the antibodies against the vaccine it might not be very accurate? 

If the immune system is reacting to something that's it been told to rather than a weakened virus,then maybe the new tech is not accurate enough,maybe that's why folk are reacting to the second jab,when they technically shouldn't be?

Or maybe 

 

5 minutes ago, riohog said:

 i dont give a fling f..k what it does  ,im 68 years old if it gives me some protection aginst the virus  im happy .id rather feel abit shitty for a couple of days than be stuck on a ventilator ..

Yes fair enough,but there trying to give it to children,you might be over the hill but there's plenty not 

[Francie 6,368]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think you have to think about stuff in terms you can understand mate.

I don’t know what your level of formal education is but I have precisely none !

So, as interesting as how these things work is (and they are) I think if the seeking of information is to help on decisions of wether to have the vaccine or not then it has to be something lads like me can understand.

So what I understand is that I seem to be a risk group because of age, weigh, ex smoker blah blah

I understand that I have responsibility’s that nobody can step in and take over from me.

I understand that so many millions have died of Covid and I understand that so many millions have had a jab and are fine so far.

I understand that people ingest shit every day into their body that they shouldn’t, from recreational drugs cut up in some filthy skag den  to a bag of chips dripping with trans fats and made with potatoes sprayed to f**k With RoundUp!

Balance of probability tells me personally, just roll up the sleeve and protect myself in the only way I can.

Everything else is WAY above my level mate  

I'm the same wilf an I wasn't asking anyone to explain rhereself why they got it,that's up to the individual,I'm just trying to find out the process of this new tech,but we're Gona give born a heart atavmck from speculation haha

[WILF 46,646]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

Or maybe 

 

Yes fair enough,but there trying to give it to children,you might be over the hill but there's plenty not 

Now to me, that’s a different thing to think about.

My girls are adults so it’s their choice but my boys are not and are very fit and healthy thank god.....that choice isn’t as straightforward imho 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

Goodman so that leads me to another question,an quite possibly answers why the reaction to the second

 

When the adaptive immune system is building the antibodies against the vaccine it might not be very accurate? 

If the immune system is reacting to something that's it been told to rather than a weakened virus,then maybe the new tech is not accurate enough,maybe that's why folk are reacting to the second jab,when they technically shouldn't be?

First off. I've just realised you're on about rna vaccines specifically. I was talking about viral vectors and the like, like the Oxford one. To be clear, Rna vaccines tell your body to make a protein that looks like the virus and your immune system react to that, to my understanding.

The rna vaccines are amongst the most effective produced for this virus. So no I don't believe they're not accurate enough. And the viral vectors literally use a slice of the virus.

If I was to dare to speculate on the cause of second jab side effects then I'd suspect that it's the body literally boosting it's antibodies due to a second encounter with the pathogen. Your bodies way heightening the threat level.

[riohog 5,701]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

Or maybe 

 

Yes fair enough,but there trying to give it to children,you might be over the hill but there's plenty not 

did you have inocs when you were a child /? and by the by im not fkd yet  if you get to my age  and beyond  good luck  ,,i still remenber as a kid seing poor bast,,,ds that had polio  and so on thanks to jabs  you dont see it these days  ,,

[Francie 6,368]

3 minutes ago, riohog said:

did you have inocs when you were a child /? and by the by im not fkd yet  if you get to my age  and beyond  good luck  ,,i still remenber as a kid seing poor bast,,,ds that had polio  and so on thanks to jabs  you dont see it these days  ,,

Yes,but that was for serious dicease polio,the Covid 19 ain't as deadly is it? 

I'm assuming I got innoculatwd,I never asked ha

[Francie 6,368]

7 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

First off. I've just realised you're on about rna vaccines specifically. I was talking about viral vectors and the like, like the Oxford one. To be clear, Rna vaccines tell your body to make a protein that looks like the virus and your immune system react to that, to my understanding.

The rna vaccines are amongst the most effective produced for this virus. So no I don't believe they're not accurate enough. And the viral vectors literally use a slice of the virus.

If I was to dare to speculate on the cause of second jab side effects then I'd suspect that it's the body literally boosting it's antibodies due to a second encounter with the pathogen. Your bodies way heightening the threat level.

Goodman born 

[riohog 5,701]

Just now, Francie said:

Yes,but that was for serious dicease polio,the Covid 19 ain't as deadly is it? 

I'm assuming I got innoculatwd,I never asked ha

ffs man what the fk you on  "its not so deadly  . its killed fkn thousands  . 

[Francie 6,368]

2 minutes ago, riohog said:

ffs man what the fk you on  "its not so deadly  . its killed fkn thousands  . 

Calm down,so your comparing polio an the covid. 

Was the polio also made in the lad like covid,an did occur through evoloution? 

Hi grebby,you raging now the covid 19 didn't arise naturally through evoloution haha it was made in the lab,only Evo heads  thought it occured naturally haha 

[Born Hunter 17,751]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

Calm down,so your comparing polio an the covid. 

Was the polio also made in the lad like covid,an did occur through evoloution? 

Hi grebby,you raging now the covid 19 didn't arise naturally through evoloution haha it was made in the lab,only Evo heads  thought it occured naturally haha 

I never bothered commenting to this claim on the other thread but theres no proof it was made in a lab. Theyve simply reconsidered their view that the evidence suggests it wasnt. The claims you are making are a big leap from the actual facts.

Not that it makes any difference whether or not the virus is out of a wet market or out of a lab to how we deal with it.

[WILF 46,646]

I’m in no way an “anti vaxxer” but I do have experience in how vaccines can effect people in Potentially different ways.

All my oldest kids had single vaccines when they were little as there was concern about MMR, so I paid privately and that’s what they had.

When my youngest was born they had run out of one of the single vaccines in the U.K. so full protection feom single vaccines wasn’t an option......after chasing round the country there just wasn’t any so the choice was:

Not fully vaccinate my littlest or take a chance on MMR.

He has MMR and subsequently he has been diagnosed with autism......are those two things linked ?

I don’t know, but it seems strange that there was a link suggested between MMR and autism and bingo, he has it.

That said, it may be nothing to do with it, I’ll never know for sure.......what I do know is that he is fit as a butchers dog  so that’s the main job.

After my experience I’m not a “blind” vaccinator but you have to have a bit of common sense too.......risk/benefit is always the calculation isn’t it.

[riohog 5,701]

2 minutes ago, Francie said:

Calm down,so your comparing polio an the covid. 

Was the polio also made in the lad like covid,an did occur through evoloution? 

Hi grebby,you raging now the covid 19 didn't arise naturally through evoloution haha it was made in the lab,only Evo heads  thought it occured naturally haha 

i dont know im no scientist  all i know is a inoc will lessen your chances of getting it , i had a polio jab as a kid , and another one 2 years ago before i went to hanoi  it was recomended so i had it  job done were it was made i dont care as long as it gave me some proection against it ..