Vaccine

[WILF 47,588]

Here’s a thing......with all these highly intelligent government scientist and dark forces........wouldn’t they have just said “Here, shove it in the water and don’t tell any c**t” ? 
 

Or am I being a bit thick ? 

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12 minutes ago, WILF said:

Sorry, your exact qualifications in DNA and weaponising viruses are ?

What level of governmental security clearance are you again ?......I mean, would you be Jason Bourne level or more president of the United States ? 

It's classified

[WILF 47,588]

Just now, stop.end said:

It's classified

Sorry mate, should have guessed ! 

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8 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Wilf, you do realise that they haven't isolated the virus yet don't you! LOL

Show me 

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Just now, stop.end said:

Show me 

What constitutes proof to you? 

[low plains drifter 10,724]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Mutations happen to any genetic 'thing'. FYI viruses aren't considered 'life' but are made of the building blocks of life, DNA.

Immunity in the host species against one but not others will force natural selection to favour the others and so they will have a competitive advantage and go on to be the dominant strain. Of course vaccination isn't the only method of achieving immunity, so all vaccination is doing is forcing selection to occur sooner and without the price of deaths that allowing immunity to be achieved naturally would cost.

Vaccination isn't causing mutations. It's simply forcing selection to occur sooner. To date, non of the mutations are sufficiently different to render the current vaccines void.

In fact by not vaccinating, any strain of the virus would multiply to massive numbers which increases the number of mutations. So not only does the host species suffer the full fatality rates of the ensuing epidemic but it increases the chance of more virilant mutations occurring. Vaccination reduces infections, reduces virus replication and reduces mutations.

Exactly

[WILF 47,588]

Just now, stop.end said:

Show me 

Don’t tell him Born, he is just trying to find out what you know and then WOOSH!!!!......you will bundled into a black van never to be seen again ! 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

14 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Mutations happen to any genetic 'thing'. FYI viruses aren't considered 'life' but are made of the building blocks of life, DNA.

Immunity in the host species against one but not others will force natural selection to favour the others and so they will have a competitive advantage and go on to be the dominant strain. Of course vaccination isn't the only method of achieving immunity, so all vaccination is doing is forcing selection to occur sooner and without the price of deaths that allowing immunity to be achieved naturally would cost.

Vaccination isn't causing mutations. It's simply forcing selection to occur sooner. To date, non of the mutations are sufficiently different to render the current vaccines void.

In fact by not vaccinating, any strain of the virus would multiply to massive numbers which increases the number of mutations. So not only does the host species suffer the full fatality rates of the ensuing epidemic but it increases the chance of more virilant mutations occurring. Vaccination reduces infections, reduces virus replication and reduces mutations.

Does the same principles apply to a virus that has been developed in a laboratory and is part of gain of function research(Extremely dangerous and infectious to human life)? 

[Born Hunter 17,809]

1 minute ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Does the same principles apply to a virus that has been developed in a laboratory and is part of gain of function research(Extremely dangerous and infectious to human life)? 

Such a thing would still be a replicating genetic particle like any other virus or organism, which means it mutates and is subject to natural selection. So yes, to my understanding.

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

Here’s a thing......with all these highly intelligent government scientist and dark forces........wouldn’t they have just said “Here, shove it in the water and don’t tell any c**t” ? 
 

Or am I being a bit thick ? 

We're going back to the beginning with this one. It's all been done before.

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Such a thing would still be a replicating genetic particle like any other virus or organism, which means it mutates and is subject to natural selection. So yes, to my understanding.

I get what you're saying and I think on paper it sounds correct, but this is a new one and a rather dangerous and insidious one with most people really not interested in its origins or interested in the background of it, although it's the very reason their getting their global vaccination. Very interesting times. 

We're past the point of no return.

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1 minute ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

I get what you're saying and I think on paper it sounds correct, but this is a new one and a rather dangerous and insidious one with most people really not interested in its origins or interested in the background of it, although it's the very reason their getting their global vaccination. Very interesting times. 

We're past the point of no return.

I agree in the point where we are past the point of no return.

[Born Hunter 17,809]

1 minute ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

I get what you're saying and I think on paper it sounds correct, but this is a new one and a rather dangerous and insidious one with most people really not interested in its origins or interested in the background of it, although it's the very reason their getting their global vaccination. Very interesting times. 

We're past the point of no return.

I think people are very interested in it's origins. But it's origin doesn't impact how we deal with it, only how we deal with future pandemics. It's a virus, and is subject to the same laws of nature.

Saying it might not be would be like saying a comet that is on a course to hit us might not because it's new and so might not be affected by gravity like every other comet before it.

[Born Hunter 17,809]

8 minutes ago, stop.end said:

I agree in the point where we are past the point of no return.

Still waiting for you to tell me what is the threshold for proof on 'isolating the virus'...

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

44 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I think people are very interested in it's origins. But it's origin doesn't impact how we deal with it, only how we deal with future pandemics. It's a virus, and is subject to the same laws of nature.

Saying it might not be would be like saying a comet that is on a course to hit us might not because it's new and so might not be affected by gravity like every other comet before it.

Would you then accept the solution of those that have sent the comet in the first place? ie take a vaccine from the same group of criminals that manufactured the virus in the first place?? Madness