Clarkson’s farm

[Gypsydog94 4,614]

2 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

That was an interesting bit, but I don’t know many farmers with walls on their farms who’d call in a Waller to put walls up when sheep knock them down. It’s expensive! Most folk would do it themselves. 

I think there is more to it then him just paying him for walling. I’m the harvest episode he said he had been doing the combing on the farm for 50 years. More like he worked for the jeremys previous tenant so he semi retired doing odd jobs? 

[Gypsydog94 4,614]

29 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

I’m pretty sure grassland is summat like double or more than doubley efficient at dealing with it then trees 

Grassland absorbs more carbon then a tree over 40 years of the trees life. After that the trees absorb a lot more 

[SheepChaser 8,089]

3 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said:

Grassland absorbs more carbon then a tree over 40 years of the trees life. After that the trees absorb a lot more 

That’s true, but the tree has to grow and survive and the survive 40 years! 

[SheepChaser 8,089]

3 minutes ago, Gypsydog94 said:

Grassland absorbs more carbon then a tree over 40 years of the trees life. After that the trees absorb a lot more 

Yes you’re right, that wasnt the point I was trying to make - just that farmers and now competing with folk who are in same business but don’t need to make any money. 

[NEWKID 27,583]

40 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I wasn’t talking about him getting the contractors in, just the bit where you correctly said - “it’s not as if he needs to make money out of the farming”. You are indeed correct - the aim of the game is to turnover your money and make no profit so you avoid the tax you’d pay normally. Same with avoiding inheritance tax. So effectively me and clarkson are both producing the same product ‘lamb’, only I am competing against someone who doesn’t need to make it pay, and who gets large amounts of government subsidy. So things like input costs are driven up as they are not related to production values, the prices driven down (as ultimately this isn’t important to many farmers). You get me ? I am competing in business with folk who don’t really need to make any money from farming, but still run it as a business. Land prices are now so madly inflated beyond production value, that no farmer can buy a farm anymore, and when rich folk buy one abs rent it to someone like me, I get zero security, it’s done on a 12 month lease so that they can claim to be the active farmer and get the gov subs. 
 

I am not knocking clarkson in any way shape or form, as he’s one of the better ones and this programme probably does a lot of good for farming. But the average person has so little idea of how the countryside and farming operates as a business, that it’s borderline scary. 
 

The latest thing is big business are buying farms abs booting folk out, to plant trees, to ‘offset’ their carbon emissions. Ironically grass land is actually better at sequestering carbon than trees, but folk don’t realise that! 

Got ya..

As you say unless you are heavily involved in the farming industry the loop holes etc are unknown to the masses.

I see your point completely regarding and for some making a loss to offset tax from other ventures is maybe a positive, which can't be right, but clever accounting is how most very successful people get to that point..

I was looking at the Clarkson situation in a very basic way, he is not a farmer and has no idea, so he pays others to do the work for him and farming continues, but as you say whether he makes money or not is irrelevant 

[Gypsydog94 4,614]

9 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

That’s true, but the tree has to grow and survive and the survive 40 years! 

This is true. Up on exmoor bunch of eco warriors planting oak saplings we’re ever people will let them. But not doing anything about the herd of red.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Gypsydog94

[SheepChaser 8,089]

4 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

Got ya..

As you say unless you are heavily involved in the farming industry the loop holes etc are unknown to the masses.

I see your point completely regarding and for some making a loss to offset tax from other ventures is maybe a positive, which can't be right, but clever accounting is how most very successful people get to that point..

I was looking at the Clarkson situation in a very basic way, he is not a farmer and has no idea, so he pays others to do the work for him and farming continues, but as you say whether he makes money or not is irrelevant 

And I’d much rather see it farmed then end up a housing estate, trust me! But it’s hard knowing that no matter how good I am at what I do, I’ve got to battle every singe day to be allowed to do it, because there are only so many spaces for ‘farmers’ in the uk ( as opposed to farm hands) and a lot of them are being taken up by rich folk who fancy playing at it, and skewing the market. I dream of owning a farm, I’m good at farming, and my operation makes a profit,  but I’d be much better off sacking off the farming going to work in the city. Isn’t that a bit mad? 

[Born Hunter 17,816]

Just FYI but he did turn a profit. And given how much of a f***ing hinderance he was that is amazing! LOL 

[NEWKID 27,583]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

Just FYI but he did turn a profit. And given how much of a f***ing hinderance he was that is amazing! LOL 

Complete liability....lucky the blokes in the background knew what they were doing!! Lol

[Born Hunter 17,816]

Just now, NEWKID said:

Complete liability....lucky the blokes in the background knew what they were doing!! Lol

Clarkson ain’t daft. Yeah he can afford to f**k up and in fact it’s a profitable part of his brand but he clearly had respect for his whole teams expertise in all areas of farming.

He was frank about hunting, badgers and the absolute monster the regulatory system has become. I personally think his show has done good.

The best example of farming I’ve seen is an estate owned by a hedge fund manager type. The system might have its flaws but it’s not all industry abusing yuppies.

[SheepChaser 8,089]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Clarkson ain’t daft. Yeah he can afford to f**k up and in fact it’s a profitable part of his brand but he clearly had respect for his whole teams expertise in all areas of farming.

He was frank about hunting, badgers and the absolute monster the regulatory system has become. I personally think his show has done good.

The best example of farming I’ve seen is an estate owned by a hedge fund manager type. The system might have its flaws but it’s not all industry abusing yuppies.

I agree, this programme will do a lot of good. 
 

I was just highlighting how mad the world of farming is in the uk.

No matter how good at farming you are, you cannot buy a farm from it. Crazy!

The subsidy system means that you no longer get any secure tenancies.

The largest landowner and subsidy claimant in the Uk is James dyson, effectively his holding and subsidy claim Is so great, the government is paying him to buy more farm land every year.

It is not a surprise that one of the most progressive ag societies in the world (nz) had its subs pulled pretty much over night. Lots sunk, but those who rose to the top, were truly top of their game.

It will never happen, but I dream of a world with a level ish playing field, which means being in the top 5% of producers (yer I bet that’s surprising ) would mean I could end up with security of tenure on a farm, as opposed to being born into it, or being a rich city man looking to bury tax.

It is how it is, and there are lots of hedge fund managers doing some amazing things eyx. But it’s just all a bit mental when you start digging! 

[Qbgrey 4,160]

3 hours ago, SheepChaser said:

I wasn’t talking about him getting the contractors in, just the bit where you correctly said - “it’s not as if he needs to make money out of the farming”. You are indeed correct - the aim of the game is to turnover your money and make no profit so you avoid the tax you’d pay normally. Same with avoiding inheritance tax. So effectively me and clarkson are both producing the same product ‘lamb’, only I am competing against someone who doesn’t need to make it pay, and who gets large amounts of government subsidy. So things like input costs are driven up as they are not related to production values, the prices driven down (as ultimately this isn’t important to many farmers). You get me ? I am competing in business with folk who don’t really need to make any money from farming, but still run it as a business. Land prices are now so madly inflated beyond production value, that no farmer can buy a farm anymore, and when rich folk buy one abs rent it to someone like me, I get zero security, it’s done on a 12 month lease so that they can claim to be the active farmer and get the gov subs. 
 

I am not knocking clarkson in any way shape or form, as he’s one of the better ones and this programme probably does a lot of good for farming. But the average person has so little idea of how the countryside and farming operates as a business, that it’s borderline scary. 
 

The latest thing is big business are buying farms abs booting folk out, to plant trees, to ‘offset’ their carbon emissions. Ironically grass land is actually better at sequestering carbon than trees, but folk don’t realise that! 

Nail on head.we Got that round here,rich people playing at farming.

[dillydog 8,469]

Well I've just signed on the dotted line to buy a 63 acre small farm myself,  looking forward to the government handouts and putting my feet up 

On a serious note I've NO IDEA what I'm doing and I'm shiting myself at the thought of actually earning a living from land with no experience of farming.......and I'm told there's no single farm payments from next year.

[keepdiggin 9,561]

1 minute ago, dillydog said:

Well I've just signed on the dotted line to buy a 63 acre small farm myself,  looking forward to the government handouts and putting my feet up 

On a serious note I've NO IDEA what I'm doing and I'm shiting myself at the thought of actually earning a living from land with no experience of farming.......and I'm told there's no single farm payments from next year.

Respect 

[NEWKID 27,583]

1 minute ago, dillydog said:

Well I've just signed on the dotted line to buy a 63 acre small farm myself,  looking forward to the government handouts and putting my feet up 

On a serious note I've NO IDEA what I'm doing and I'm shiting myself at the thought of actually earning a living from land with no experience of farming.......and I'm told there's no single farm payments from next year.

Good luck mate...hope it all goes really well for you..