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SONOFSOIL 215 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, socks said: This is an interesting article. the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, the recognised leader of the Palestinian Arabs, spent WWII in Berlin, helping Hitler plan the murder of the Jews in Palestine, organising a special SS brigade to do it, and broadcasting Nazi propaganda in Arabic to the Middle East In 1948 the UN proposed partition of British Mandate of Palestine, between Israelis and Arabs. The Israelis accepted the deal. The Arab League, of states ethnically defined as "Arab", invaded. 3 years after the Holocaust, they tried to kill the Jews of Israel. They failed There was fighting, over land. About 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were driven out of some territory. This was the catastrophe, or 'Nakba' in Arabic. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were also driven out, both in Palestine and in all the other "Arab" and "Islamic" states The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Palestinian refugees were never allowed full freedom or ordinary citizenship in the "Arab" states. They were kept in camps, with refugee status. Some of their descendants are still there, 73 years later In 1967 the Arab League, led by the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, massed forces on all the borders of Israel, explicitly promising to invade and to murder the Jews. Israel took out the Egyptian air force on the ground and had a quick victory. "The Six Day War" In1972, Palestinian militants invaded the Olympic Village in Munich and they murdered, the Israeli team, castrating some of them first. In 1976, Palestinian militants hijacked a plane to Uganda. Israeli forces flew to Entebbe and rescued them In 1973, the Arab League, again, invaded Israel with the stated aim of murdering the Jews. They did so on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. In that war, Israel took Sinai, Gaza and the West Bank and occupied them In 1978 President Sadat of Egypt made peace with Israel, Israel gave back all of the land which it had taken in the Sinai. Three years later, Sadat was murdered by Egyptian Islamists to punish the "traitor" for making peace with Israel In 2000, Israel offered to withdraw from 95% of Gaza and the West Bank in favour of an independent Palestinian state. Yassir Arafat, the President of Palestine declined the offer and opened new conflict. Hamas was formed to stop the peace process by killing Israelis In 2005 Israel uprooted its settlers in Gaza and took them home to Israel. It withdrew from Gaza. Hamas took power there, killing its democratic Palestinian opponents. It used the territory as a base from which to kill Israelis and dream about total victory over them In 2006 PM of Israel Ehud Olmert offered a similar deal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to the one which had been offered to Yassir Arafat, for an independent Palestine in about 95% of the territory of Gaza and the West Bank. Abbas said no. Israel has tried at least three times to agree an end to the occupation of Palestinian land in the Wast Bank and Gaza. There was no agreement. Israel has tried withdrawal without agreement. This gave power to Hamas Today's left "antizionism", which demonizes Israel as apartheid, wants it boycotted, wants it smashed, loves the Jews but hates the state that protects them, portrays "Zionism" as a global force for imperialism and evil... It was invented by antisemitic Soviet apparatchiks None of this is to blame the Palestinian people for their current suffering. Palestinian voices for peace have sometimes been strong, but they've been defeated by voices for victory. Palestinians are also the victims of the "Arab" states and of Iran Israel is not innocent, and has not done all it could to make peace. The forces for peace have not always won against the forces for fear. But it can't end the occupation without a peace. And there is not Palestinian National Movement willing or able to guarantee a peace I've always opposed the settlement project. Jews were murdered & driven out of the West Bank. Maybe they have a right to return. But not like this. It's better to make a peace, if possible, and hope for the creation of an independent democratic Palestine alongside Israel In the end you have to choose. Support a politics of peace between the two nations? Or support a politics of supporting one for final victory and demonizing the other as evil? It's obvious which is the genuinely left wing path Both Israel and Palestine are small nations. They have much in common with each other. They are both the losers of European Colonialism and and its Orientalism, racism, antisemitism, Stalinist and Nazi totalitarianism, Ba'athism and Islamism The world fans flames, sows ignorance, waves flags, demonizes one or other nation, appropriates them as the raw material for their performances of identity & wallows in their own passion play narratives. Many Israelis and Palestinians just want to be ordinary neigbours now. I read the first bit and nearly choked on my tea. Socks let me tell you now, no Palestinians plotted the downfall of the jews in ww2, thats simply jews rewriting history, something they do all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Astanley 11,604 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, socks said: This is an interesting article. the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, the recognised leader of the Palestinian Arabs, spent WWII in Berlin, helping Hitler plan the murder of the Jews in Palestine, organising a special SS brigade to do it, and broadcasting Nazi propaganda in Arabic to the Middle East In 1948 the UN proposed partition of British Mandate of Palestine, between Israelis and Arabs. The Israelis accepted the deal. The Arab League, of states ethnically defined as "Arab", invaded. 3 years after the Holocaust, they tried to kill the Jews of Israel. They failed There was fighting, over land. About 700,000 Palestinian Arabs were driven out of some territory. This was the catastrophe, or 'Nakba' in Arabic. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were also driven out, both in Palestine and in all the other "Arab" and "Islamic" states The West Bank and Gaza were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Palestinian refugees were never allowed full freedom or ordinary citizenship in the "Arab" states. They were kept in camps, with refugee status. Some of their descendants are still there, 73 years later In 1967 the Arab League, led by the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, massed forces on all the borders of Israel, explicitly promising to invade and to murder the Jews. Israel took out the Egyptian air force on the ground and had a quick victory. "The Six Day War" In1972, Palestinian militants invaded the Olympic Village in Munich and they murdered, the Israeli team, castrating some of them first. In 1976, Palestinian militants hijacked a plane to Uganda. Israeli forces flew to Entebbe and rescued them In 1973, the Arab League, again, invaded Israel with the stated aim of murdering the Jews. They did so on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. In that war, Israel took Sinai, Gaza and the West Bank and occupied them In 1978 President Sadat of Egypt made peace with Israel, Israel gave back all of the land which it had taken in the Sinai. Three years later, Sadat was murdered by Egyptian Islamists to punish the "traitor" for making peace with Israel In 2000, Israel offered to withdraw from 95% of Gaza and the West Bank in favour of an independent Palestinian state. Yassir Arafat, the President of Palestine declined the offer and opened new conflict. Hamas was formed to stop the peace process by killing Israelis In 2005 Israel uprooted its settlers in Gaza and took them home to Israel. It withdrew from Gaza. Hamas took power there, killing its democratic Palestinian opponents. It used the territory as a base from which to kill Israelis and dream about total victory over them In 2006 PM of Israel Ehud Olmert offered a similar deal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to the one which had been offered to Yassir Arafat, for an independent Palestine in about 95% of the territory of Gaza and the West Bank. Abbas said no. Israel has tried at least three times to agree an end to the occupation of Palestinian land in the Wast Bank and Gaza. There was no agreement. Israel has tried withdrawal without agreement. This gave power to Hamas Today's left "antizionism", which demonizes Israel as apartheid, wants it boycotted, wants it smashed, loves the Jews but hates the state that protects them, portrays "Zionism" as a global force for imperialism and evil... It was invented by antisemitic Soviet apparatchiks None of this is to blame the Palestinian people for their current suffering. Palestinian voices for peace have sometimes been strong, but they've been defeated by voices for victory. Palestinians are also the victims of the "Arab" states and of Iran Israel is not innocent, and has not done all it could to make peace. The forces for peace have not always won against the forces for fear. But it can't end the occupation without a peace. And there is not Palestinian National Movement willing or able to guarantee a peace I've always opposed the settlement project. Jews were murdered & driven out of the West Bank. Maybe they have a right to return. But not like this. It's better to make a peace, if possible, and hope for the creation of an independent democratic Palestine alongside Israel In the end you have to choose. Support a politics of peace between the two nations? Or support a politics of supporting one for final victory and demonizing the other as evil? It's obvious which is the genuinely left wing path Both Israel and Palestine are small nations. They have much in common with each other. They are both the losers of European Colonialism and and its Orientalism, racism, antisemitism, Stalinist and Nazi totalitarianism, Ba'athism and Islamism The world fans flames, sows ignorance, waves flags, demonizes one or other nation, appropriates them as the raw material for their performances of identity & wallows in their own passion play narratives. Many Israelis and Palestinians just want to be ordinary neigbours now. Sounds about right to me ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,635 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Are you denying there was no Moslem ss units ?? 19 minutes ago, SONOFSOIL said: I read the first bit and nearly choked on my tea. Socks let me tell you now, no Palestinians plotted the downfall of the jews in ww2, thats simply jews rewriting history, something they do all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SONOFSOIL 215 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Chomsky knows the score, he's jewish, some say one of the brightest minds ever, lots of him on YouTube, hard to listen to now he's a very old man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,635 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Loads of pictures of hitler with mufti, just sat talking about the weather then I assume 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SONOFSOIL 215 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: Are you denying there was no Moslem ss units ?? Are you denying that no jews fought on the side of the germans? I simply state that no Palestinian organised the jewish saga for the nazis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,635 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Just now, SONOFSOIL said: Are you denying that no jews fought on the side of the germans? I simply state that no Palestinian organised the jewish saga for the nazis nowhere near a comparison , there were entire units of Moslems in the ss definitely happened , egypt saw Israel and the Jews as a huge threat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,635 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, SONOFSOIL said: Chomsky knows the score, he's jewish, some say one of the brightest minds ever, lots of him on YouTube, hard to listen to now he's a very old man. "portrays people who disagree with him as stupid or evil, using withering scorn in his rhetoric", no agenda there at all 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SONOFSOIL 215 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Even the propaganda channel dont agree with silly netanyahu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SONOFSOIL 215 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: "portrays people who disagree with him as stupid or evil, using withering scorn in his rhetoric", no agenda there at all Tells the truth, not popular with clowns like you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,635 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Just now, SONOFSOIL said: Tells the truth, not popular with clowns like he’s the man , made his millions churning out anarchy based thought monologues but mates with the head of the CIA . pulled the wool over your eyes didn’t he ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SONOFSOIL 215 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: he’s the man , made his millions churning out anarchy based thought monologues but mates with the head of the CIA . pulled the wool over your eyes didn’t he ? 3 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: he’s the man , made his millions churning out anarchy based thought monologues but mates with the head of the CIA . pulled the wool over your eyes didn’t he ? Yes, and you are brighter than he Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Absolutely correct. Hamas a terrorist organisation started this latest round of conflict. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted May 18, 2021 Report Share Posted May 18, 2021 Sonofsoil what is your take on Islam ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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