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  On 29/03/2021 at 20:53, jigsaw said:

I'd be just pricking about at this stage,a bit of ferreting,some woodland walks,and a bit of everything else,I've no interest in fox,if you can't eat it why bother I think,and I don't need the best of 3,type dogs,I think they'd be exciting to watch 

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For edible game they would do you right. Mine lamp, bush, ferret and are not too bad at working the hills. I don’t think it’s down to the breed because I’ve seen a few types do the same type of work. 

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@jigsaw. go for it mate.  You obviously think a lot of the old dog and his abilities/qualities, you've no real interest in foxes, so if the pups don't fancy that side of things, then it's no problem.  You'll have pups from the dog you like, and they'll do most of what you want workwise as well.  I'd try to get em mated together if I was in your shoes. ?

Oh yeah, you using your red/fawn bitch?

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  On 29/03/2021 at 21:37, shaaark said:

@jigsaw. go for it mate.  You obviously think a lot of the old dog and his abilities/qualities, you've no real interest in foxes, so if the pups don't fancy that side of things, then it's no problem.  You'll have pups from the dog you like, and they'll do most of what you want workwise as well.  I'd try to get em mated together if I was in your shoes. ?

Oh yeah, you using your red/fawn bitch?

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Yeah,the dam of the kelpie X,,I may have to make hard decisions to facilitate such a move,we will see....would a 12 year old dog knock a litter out I wonder?...he's asleep on the sofa as I write, enjoying the pampering he gets now

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 A few slag 3/4 breds off be it collie/bedlington /deerhound/saluki etc myself i have seen a good number decent enough on edible game for someone after a bit of sport on edibles i like them. Not everyone has the access for numbers or the real dedication and time to really test the dogs. This type will give the mooching/knockabout lurcherman some sport.

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  On 29/03/2021 at 21:48, jigsaw said:

Yeah,the dam of the kelpie X,,I may have to make hard decisions to facilitate such a move,we will see....would a 12 year old dog knock a litter out I wonder?...he's asleep on the sofa as I write, enjoying the pampering he gets now

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Got to be worth a try though mate.  Get em around each other as much as is safely possible while she's in season, then when she's ready, let them couple as often as she allows.

I'm certainly no expert in dog breeding or dog fertility mind, but that makes sense to me. ?

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  On 29/03/2021 at 21:54, shaaark said:

Got to be worth a try though mate.  Get em around each other as much as is safely possible while she's in season, then when she's ready, let them couple as often as she allows.

I'm certainly no expert in dog breeding or dog fertility mind, but that makes sense to me. ?

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They actually share the run of the yard and  a box the whole time,and she is quiet accomodating when in heat,any thing with a dick would do lol.....

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  On 29/03/2021 at 21:57, jigsaw said:

They actually share the run of the yard and  a box the whole time,and she is quiet accomodating when in heat,any thing with a dick would do lol.....

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Yeah get it done mate.  If she falls pregnant, you'll have a sire to the pups that not only is he the 'exact' cross you want, but one that you know his work/field skills/experience intimately, with no half arsed lies/guesswork.  WIN WIN ?

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We’ve probably already answered this in various forms before. I think most of us would agree that there is as much variation within breeds and types and between sometimes. But you do get certain ‘givens’ with some breeds or crosses over others. Also the parents and grand parents mean more than the %s etc most of the time. 
 

So in theory a three quarter grey quarter Sal should be quick enough for anything, have the stamina for a bit and if they are bred out of parents worth breeding from should come to something worth feeding in theory on the way they put together and more importantly their heart. 
 

And there are always homes for good pups. 

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