Nice collie greys doing the job

[poxon 5,847]

32 minutes ago, Loton Moocher said:

As a enthusiast would just liked to have known the beddys lines that’s all , because they would still exist coz if it were good stuff be worth knowing for the future ,that’s bedlingtons not f1s by the way

It’s irrelevant as most pure beddys are close related so there definitely still be out there its a small gene pool it’s on individual dog if they good or not it’s the same with f1 that’s another irrelevants it’s weather the individual dogs good or not.like I’ve said before id not own a f1 id rather put a good f1 in to other xs that’s proven in the field let other people take the gamble an do the leg work there as a f1 is the beginning first creation of a lurcher. Let’s not comment on this post no more mooch it’s a good collie post id not want it to go south for the poster due to us having different opinions chatting shit about f1s

[Greb147 6,809]

13 hours ago, poxon said:

This is my old collie x she was a line bred bitch the line was started in 1986 out of a Hancock bred bitch that was bred from Chuck arrowsmiths collie she was a good bitch for me I really enjoyed this bitch I bred out of this bitch to a decent f1 beddy greyhound I have the granddaughter to this bitch at the minute running 

One of the best looking lurchers you could ever wish to see.

[Black neck 16,545]

3 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

Another thread turns into a beddyx thread

I can't decide what's worse a beddy or a collie

[poxon 5,847]

10 minutes ago, Black neck said:

I can't decide what's worse a beddy or a collie

get a dog made up of both d then you don’t have to think of witch ones the worse if you want the full set of cards get one with both plus deerhound in the mix 

[Black neck 16,545]

1 hour ago, poxon said:

get a dog made up of both d then you don’t have to think of witch ones the worse if you want the full set of cards get one with both plus deerhound in the mix 

I'd need 1 wi a dash o border terrier tho if I'm honest wi myself d

[poxon 5,847]

25 minutes ago, Black neck said:

I'd need 1 wi a dash o border terrier tho if I'm honest wi myself d

Try one with a dot of saluki

[Black neck 16,545]

Just now, poxon said:

Try one with a dot of saluki

Perfect

[poxon 5,847]

Just now, Black neck said:

Perfect

[shaaark 11,002]

22 hours ago, troyboy17 said:

Yes I like his dogs although a lot of people don't but it's the man behind the dog that makes them

 

14 hours ago, Loton Moocher said:

Very true

Spot on. Seen/know several dogs from hancocks, that have made superb workers, taking allsorts, up and down the country. Common denominator; all owned by people that know dogs/lurchers. Giving them time to develope, and a bit of patience, and NOT trying to get their dogs catching all and sundry by the time it's 18 months old.

It really can be that simple.

[fenman1# 724]

There's good and bad in all dogs same as terriers. I know a lot of people hate on Hancock I never knew the man or see he's kennels but in my eyes you get what you put in 90% of lurchers are bred off failed greyhounds unless your the other 10% and get something that got injured or old, and owners can't be dealing with breeding pups, and sheepdogs are herding dogs and we don't breed lurchers for herding simply for stamina and better bone for all terrain running, or if you want out and out fox dog you would go bull or Wheaton, there just a bit to clever for me after a while I think if they think  they can't catch it they only run half hearted, seen a few good fox dogs that was collie x but as the seasons go on and they take stick they start looking for throat holds, in my eyes dogs should grab the first place they can, seen dogs that only take them by throat end up missing most foxes that make it to ditch cause they can't reach throat afraid incase it turns round and latches onto its nose and the 3 collies xs iv seen that actually took stick was bearded collie xs and i was impressed by them, I heard the bearded collie xs are a bit keener then border xs I don't how true that is but anyway point I'm saying is just cause its Hancock bred don't mean any different just means you lined he's pockets don't get me wrong anyone that knows me has never paid a penny for a dog off me I'd rather know how my pups getting on and if there any good to go back and use if my pick failed. and if Hancock put bread and butter on the table and a roof over he's family's head by selling pups fair play to the man, everyone wants the best for there family at the end of the day, and I'm not saying I wouldn't keep a dog with collie just not half bit of Wheaton or bull in the mix up and I'd welcome one anytime seen some great fox dogs that was bred that way, even the dog in start of this topic is a really nice dog and just enough collie. 

And lads I hope yer not going to attack now over the Hancock part it's just my view on things we all have different views 

Atb fen

[low plains drifter 10,902]

8 hours ago, Black neck said:

Perfect

Turn it up

Turn it right up

[Black neck 16,545]

2 hours ago, low plains drifter said:

Turn it up

Turn it right up

Les miserables

[troyboy17 632]

2 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

Give it another season or 2 an the folk who slagged Hancock an moaned about his poxy few hundred quid price tag will be wishing he still about as they pay a grand or 2 for some shitty beddy whippet

100%

[Loton Moocher 1,255]

9 hours ago, shaaark said:

 

Spot on. Seen/know several dogs from hancocks, that have made superb workers, taking allsorts, up and down the country. Common denominator; all owned by people that know dogs/lurchers. Giving them time to develope, and a bit of patience, and NOT trying to get their dogs catching all and sundry by the time it's 18 months old.

It really can be that simple.

Seen 3 Hancock dogs in the field now 2 maybe the worst nuts I’ve ever seen nervous wrecks , yet the one I’ve put photo up of is something else , I’ve seen it out again since ,and how it’s progressed has really impressed me , yet like most Hancock’s dogs this one was scared of its own shadow to begin with aswell , like wats been said you only get out what you put in , I’m a big believer in that , but I must say the lad who has trained this on did used field trial labs and was taught by one of the best so I’m told ? It bout the same age as the one white foot put up I wonder if it out the same litter ?

[shaaark 11,002]

1 hour ago, Loton Moocher said:

Seen 3 Hancock dogs in the field now 2 maybe the worst nuts I’ve ever seen nervous wrecks , yet the one I’ve put photo up of is something else , I’ve seen it out again since ,and how it’s progressed has really impressed me , yet like most Hancock’s dogs this one was scared of its own shadow to begin with aswell , like wats been said you only get out what you put in , I’m a big believer in that , but I must say the lad who has trained this on did used field trial labs and was taught by one of the best so I’m told ? It bout the same age as the one white foot put up I wonder if it out the same litter ?

As said mate, I really do think it's 90% down to the owner how any lurcher turns out.  Most lurchers are fairly sensitive as pups, and if the owner is an overbearing nerk, that shouts at his pup for the slightest thing, or gives it a slap for doing what most pups generally do,  but he's too stupid/ignorant to realise it's just a pup thing, then the pup will turn out nervy, jittery and less obedient 

Give the same pup to a caring, knowledgeable owner, that pup would very likely turn out very useful.

Not saying the 2 nervous wrecks you saw were owned by nerks lol, but without knowing the background of how they were brought up, socialised etc, it's difficult to put a reason on why/how they were so nervous.

And I've said this a few times on here, I really don't think the majority of modern day lurcher owners are capable of dealing with a true collie cross.