White fox

[Born Hunter 17,832]

2 minutes ago, Francie said:

There not an ancestor ok,well what's the ancestor lol

But there cousins lol so it's actually closer,so a white fox is not surprising.

 

You don’t throw back to a cousin though, lol. You throw back to something that came before, a grandparent etc.

Im not strictly sure what that was though mate.

But no I don’t think whites are a throw back. I think they’re simple mutations that are not advantageous.

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1 minute ago, Francie said:

If the red fox an the artic foxes are cousins,then it should be no real surprise

Tigers and lions are cousins but you don't see spotted tigers.

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1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

Tigers and lions are cousins but you don't see spotted tigers.

Whereas you do see spotted lions? Ha!

Did you mean leopards mate?

[Greb147 6,809]

Just now, Born Hunter said:

Whereas you do see spotted lions? Ha!

Did you mean leopards mate?

Lions often have spots in their markings.

 

[Greb147 6,809]

Most of the the time their spots disappear once they reach adulthood but many still carry that marking. 

I think tigers are most closely related to snow leopards out of all the cats. 

[Francie 6,368]

6 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

You don’t throw back to a cousin though, lol. You throw back to something that came before, a grandparent etc.

Im not strictly sure what that was though mate.

But no I don’t think whites are a throw back. I think they’re simple mutations that are not advantageous.

Ah come on man

So with all your knowledge you dont know what the foxes ancestor was?

I'd say with what wee see in nature now,its ancestor was a fox.

But you say there cousins,an I would say that's even closer,so I still cant see why the artic fox an the red cant have some different colours arising without it been called a mutation.

[Francie 6,368]

9 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Tigers and lions are cousins but you don't see spotted tigers.

Actually neither tiger nor lions have spots greb

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2 minutes ago, Francie said:

Actually neither tiger nor lions have spots greb

Don't they.... 

[Francie 6,368]

3 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Don't they.... 

Haha goodman,I knew youd bite lol

It's not a surprise to me there like that,but it is to some on here

[Francie 6,368]

Iv seen plenty like that over the years with watching the documentaries greb,that's why a white fox shouldn't be no surprise

[Greb147 6,809]

Admittedly it wasn't the best comparison as they are not all spotted. 

I was actually at first going to put you don't see striped lions but after a quick check there has been the odd case. 

Now I don't know if they were tiger/lion hybrids. 

Anyway, you don't see spotted tigers.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

Just now, Francie said:

Ah come on man

So with all your knowledge you dont know what the foxes ancestor was?

I'd say with what wee see in nature now,its ancestor was a fox.

But you say there cousins,an I would say that's even closer,so I still cant see why the artic fox an the red cant have some different colours arising without it been called a mutation.

If neither you or I know what the red foxes ancestor is we can’t say it’s a throwback, which funny enough, I wasn’t. Lol.

Whether or not the white was caused by a recent mutation or an inherited recessive colour variant from an ancient mutation isn’t really the point. It doesn’t propagate successfully because it’s likely not advantageous. 

[Born Hunter 17,832]

3 minutes ago, Francie said:

Iv seen plenty like that over the years with watching the documentaries greb,that's why a white fox shouldn't be no surprise

Has anyone said they were surprised? LOL

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2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

If neither you or I know what the red foxes ancestor is we can’t say it’s a throwback, which funny enough, I wasn’t. Lol.

Whether or not the white was caused by a recent mutation or an inherited recessive colour variant from an ancient mutation isn’t really the point. It doesn’t propagate successfully because it’s likely not advantageous. 

Ok well how did natural selection select the fox to be red an the fox to be white?

Envoirment you might say,but if the fox moved to a new envoirment,by your own logic it wouldn't survive lol