White fox

[Ken's Deputy 4,460]

16 hours ago, Qbgrey said:

 white fur,light brown stripes, red eyes,skin etc.

Sounds like me, after a 'good' night.

[jigsaw 11,899]

 

 

 

seems his days are done ,put up on FB earlier its been killed with a photo that i cant drag over since the site changed for some reason

Edited February 6, 2021 by jigsaw

[Francie 6,368]

On 05/02/2021 at 10:26, Born Hunter said:

I nearly commented to that end earlier. It's beautiful to humans but in nature it is a rare mutation because nature continually kills those with the mutation off. Frankly you'd be doing the fox gene pool a favour by doing natures bidding and culling it.

But I doubt that crosses anyone's mind. The rare ones get shot because they stand out. Which funny enough is the same reason nature kills them.

What do you mean by,nature kills those with mutation off?

 

[Born Hunter 17,832]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

What do you mean by,nature kills those with mutation off?

 

In the same way that other handicapped animals die off taking with the their handicap.

[Francie 6,368]

16 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

In the same way that other handicapped animals die off taking with the their handicap.

How do you know it's not evolving

Iv seen an albino brock when I was 16,right in front of me,an I heard over the years other lads seeing it,in the same area,but I'm not saying it's the same one,I think it obviously bred,because I'm 36 now an Iv heard it been seen two year ago?

So how are we choosing which mutation is bad for them,or will nature do that?

Nature obviously has obviously kept these babies as live?

[Born Hunter 17,832]

1 minute ago, Francie said:

How do you know it's not evolving

Iv seen an albino brock when I was 16,right in front of me,an I heard over the years other lads seeing it,in the same area,but I'm not saying it's the same one,I think it obviously bred,because I'm 36 now an Iv heard it been seen two year ago?

So how are we choosing which mutation is bad for them,or will nature do that?

Nature obviously has obviously kept these babies as live?

If foxes were evolving they wouldn’t be red with the occasional abnormality, they’d be turning white and red would be the rarity.

Nature obviously does the choosing.

Natural selection isn’t like a test on the last day of cub school ffs. Lol. Of course some Cubs survive. Some might even go on to breed and pass their colour on. But on the whole nature seems to eradicate this mutation when it crops up and it’s not hard to figure why really. White is hardly the best concealment for a hunter. Not to mention koinophilia, which is where mates tend to reject mates that don’t look ‘normal’. 

[Francie 6,368]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

If foxes were evolving they wouldn’t be red with the occasional abnormality, they’d be turning white and red would be the rarity.

Nature obviously does the choosing.

Natural selection isn’t like a test on the last day of cub school ffs. Lol. Of course some Cubs survive. Some might even go on to breed and pass their colour on. But on the whole nature seems to eradicate this mutation when it crops up and it’s not hard to figure why really. White is hardly the best concealment for a hunter. Not to mention koinophilia, which is where mates tend to reject mates that don’t look ‘normal’. 

But do you not think it could be a throwback to yesteryear,look at the artic fox,its white,so I dont think its shocking to see a white fox now an again.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

3 minutes ago, Francie said:

But do you not think it could be a throwback to yesteryear,look at the artic fox,its white,so I dont think its shocking to see a white fox now an again.

I don’t think the red fox has ever had a white ancestor? The Arctic’s aren’t an ancestor, they’re a cousin I think.

Anyway, back to the point. If white was advantageous, it’d become common. It’s not, so the gene just fizzles out through natural selection.

[lurchers 2,890]

If it’s like our British finches the mutation pops up by inbreeding the genes end up breaking down then throw a mutation that’s genetics.But most on here no more than science and will probably say it’s a crock of shit but birdmen know how genetics and mutations work

[poxon 5,783]

11 minutes ago, lurchers said:

If it’s like our British finches the mutation pops up by inbreeding the genes end up breaking down then throw a mutation that’s genetics.But most on here no more than science and will probably say it’s a crock of shit but birdmen know how genetics and mutations work

[Born Hunter 17,832]

18 minutes ago, lurchers said:

If it’s like our British finches the mutation pops up by inbreeding the genes end up breaking down then throw a mutation that’s genetics.But most on here no more than science and will probably say it’s a crock of shit but birdmen know how genetics and mutations work

That’s perfectly scientific, lol. The practicalities of artificially preserving a mutation means you have to breed very tight. Breeding tight results in abnormalities.

When nature preserves a mutation due to it being advantageous it does it with in a much larger population than a stockman has and so doesn’t suffer in the same way.

Edited February 6, 2021 by Born Hunter

[lurchers 2,890]

2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

That’s perfectly scientific, lol. The practicalities of artificially preserving a mutation means you have to breed very tight. Breeding tight results in abnormalities.

When nature preserves a mutation due to it being advantageous it does it with in a much larger population than a stockman has and so doesn’t suffer in the same way.

Look how big some pig earths are before they start kicking the young out hence why you get cinnamon or white in there sets because of there tight community.Foxes around the cities will work the same way as you say it’s tight and larger than it is in the countryside 

[Born Hunter 17,832]

2 minutes ago, lurchers said:

Look how big some pig earths are before they start kicking the young out hence why you get cinnamon or white in there sets because of there tight community.Foxes around the cities will work the same way as you say it’s tight and larger than it is in the countryside 

Colour variation in badgers does seem a bit more common than in foxes doesn’t it. I sort of wondered if it’s because it’s not particularly disadvantageous to a a badger to be an abnormal colour so they don’t suffer as much. As in a fox is much more of a stealth hunter so dependant on concealment, whereas a badger isn’t. I’d not really considered their likeliness to inbreed due to their respective living behaviours. But now you mention it 

[Francie 6,368]

40 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I don’t think the red fox has ever had a white ancestor? The Arctic’s aren’t an ancestor, they’re a cousin I think.

Anyway, back to the point. If white was advantageous, it’d become common. It’s not, so the gene just fizzles out through natural selection.

There not an ancestor ok,well what's the ancestor lol

But there cousins lol so it's actually closer,so a white fox is not surprising.

 

[Francie 6,368]

5 minutes ago, Francie said:

There not an ancestor ok,well what's the ancestor lol

But there cousins lol so it's actually closer,so a white fox is not surprising.

 

If the red fox an the artic foxes are cousins,then it should be no real surprise