Snakes are out

[Meece 1,957]

6 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Gotta ask what are they gonna do about the new 3D printed hand guns and rifles ? Got stuff gloating around right now where you can down load a file and 3d print 80% glocks and what not. Heck my AR's lower was 3d printed out of polymer ( I bought it commercially ). Like really inly componets in needs are the silde and a barrel and you can get them through the dar.......lemme stop ,

Also are people over there starting to see the value in defending them selves ? Here lots of stuff about knife stabbing and gang crime over there . And from reading some of the stuff from the general forum I'm kinda surprised  folks aren't at parliaments door steps demanding the right to conceal carry or similar.  Then again I'm an American an you know how we think ,.

P.s not trying to start anything I swear  I'm just extremely curious from y'all' s point of view

There's no problems in discussing firearms controls ect.   In some ways the uk is stricter than the U.S. but in others it is easier, like the vast majority of rifle users have silencers pretty much as standard without any problem or cost.  I think that the main difference is that here you don't have the right to possess firearms.  Firearms are broken down into two groups. Shotguns and firearms. There are conditions  which determine  if a gun is in which group.  Like you can have a pump or auto with a mag cap of 3 classed as a shotgun but if the mag capacity is more then it Is claßed as a firearm.  Other differences are, here it is the pressure bearing parts that are firearms or not. Stuff like AR.? lowers aren't anything.  Here you have to show a reason to obtain and possess.  Somewhere to use it. Someone to vouch that you are suitable and not a lunatic to have a weapon. Recently you have to get a doctor's ticket.  this isn't law but certain forces won't process an application without it. Generally the public don't  want to have firearms and no one walks round with guns at all.  There was a bit of a spate of gangs!l of black youths stabing one another mainly over drug territories or just showing their alledged manliness.   Like a 14 year old being told that to be cool and a gang member he's  got to go and stab one of an opposing gang. This is mainly in inner city areas and not something that the General public even think about or consider.   Over here If you get a gun and start waving it about in public the result is that you are likely to be shot dead very quickly.  No one carries a gun for self protection because there isn't the bad guy culture to require home defence.  Self protection isn't considered a need for a gun because it doesn't happen.   Well not very often.  It's a  complicated subject to cover on a forum.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Meece

[Wolfdog91 7,080]

18 hours ago, Meece said:

There's no problems in discussing firearms controls ect.   In some ways the uk is stricter than the U.S. but in others it is easier, like the vast majority of rifle users have silencers pretty much as standard without any problem or cost.  I think that the main difference is that here you don't have the right to possess firearms.  Firearms are broken down into two groups. Shotguns and firearms. There are conditions  which determine  if a gun is in which group.  Like you can have a pump or auto with a mag cap of 3 classed as a shotgun but if the mag capacity is more then it Is claßed as a firearm.  Other differences are, here it is the pressure bearing parts that are firearms or not. Stuff like AR.? lowers aren't anything.  Here you have to show a reason to obtain and possess.  Somewhere to use it. Someone to vouch that you are suitable and not a lunatic to have a weapon. Recently you have to get a doctor's ticket.  this isn't law but certain forces won't process an application without it. Generally the public don't  want to have firearms and no one walks round with guns at all.  There was a bit of a spate of gangs!l of black youths stabing one another mainly over drug territories or just showing their alledged manliness.   Like a 14 year old being told that to be cool and a gang member he's  got to go and stab one of an opposing gang. This is mainly in inner city areas and not something that the General public even think about or consider.   Over here If you get a gun and start waving it about in public the result is that you are likely to be shot dead very quickly.  No one carries a gun for self protection because there isn't the bad guy culture to require home defence.  Self protection isn't considered a need for a gun because it doesn't happen.   Well not very often.  It's a  complicated subject to cover on a forum.

Intresting. Little confused when you where referring to AR lowers but other than that very interesting. Just from reading some of the stuff in the general forum ( when I pop in there from time to time ) seems y'all are decending into a third would country rampant crime and all that the way some talk, well at least that's the impression I got.

But thank you very much for the explanation

[Sausagedog 7,381]

2 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Intresting. Little confused when you where referring to AR lowers but other than that very interesting. Just from reading some of the stuff in the general forum ( when I pop in there from time to time ) seems y'all are decending into a third would country rampant crime and all that the way some talk, well at least that's the impression I got.

But thank you very much for the explanation

Its not to bad as long as you stay away from Yorkshire 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stavross 15,735]

11 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

Its not to bad as long as you stay away from Yorkshire 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oi, I’ll have you know that North Yorkshire has the lowest violent crime rate in the country, sadly where I live next to North Yorkshire has highest

[Dervburner 2,549]

The last “crime “ I heard about in my village was somebody woke up to find that someone had thrown a slice of cheese on his car. He went door to door asking if anyone had seen anything?

[Sausagedog 7,381]

3 hours ago, Stavross said:

Oi, I’ll have you know that North Yorkshire has the lowest violent crime rate in the country, sadly where I live next to North Yorkshire has highest

Knew you would bite   

[Alsone 789]

On 01/02/2021 at 09:35, BenBhoy said:

Dunno what I'm more jealous  of - the fact you get cool animals like that, the fact you get to shoot a sig in your back garden, or the fact you need to find shade!!

Great write up, thanks. Definitely post more like that! 

There are cool animals like that in the UK. You just have to know where to look. You also won't see them below 8 degrees C. Just an FYI, all snakes in the UK are protected by Law as they're rare and endangered. They're also really beautifully marked although adders can be black depending on the sex and time of year.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Alsone

[Alsone 789]

On 02/02/2021 at 13:01, Meece said:

There's no problems in discussing firearms controls ect.   In some ways the uk is stricter than the U.S. but in others it is easier, like the vast majority of rifle users have silencers pretty much as standard without any problem or cost.  I think that the main difference is that here you don't have the right to possess firearms.  Firearms are broken down into two groups. Shotguns and firearms. There are conditions  which determine  if a gun is in which group.  Like you can have a pump or auto with a mag cap of 3 classed as a shotgun but if the mag capacity is more then it Is claßed as a firearm.  Other differences are, here it is the pressure bearing parts that are firearms or not. Stuff like AR.? lowers aren't anything.  Here you have to show a reason to obtain and possess.  Somewhere to use it. Someone to vouch that you are suitable and not a lunatic to have a weapon. Recently you have to get a doctor's ticket.  this isn't law but certain forces won't process an application without it. Generally the public don't  want to have firearms and no one walks round with guns at all.  There was a bit of a spate of gangs!l of black youths stabing one another mainly over drug territories or just showing their alledged manliness.   Like a 14 year old being told that to be cool and a gang member he's  got to go and stab one of an opposing gang. This is mainly in inner city areas and not something that the General public even think about or consider.   Over here If you get a gun and start waving it about in public the result is that you are likely to be shot dead very quickly.  No one carries a gun for self protection because there isn't the bad guy culture to require home defence.  Self protection isn't considered a need for a gun because it doesn't happen.   Well not very often.  It's a  complicated subject to cover on a forum.

UK firearm laws go too far. eg. 12ftlbs+ airguns being FAC. Since when was the average FAC airgun more deadly than shotgun? Yet you can hold a shotgun on a SGC but need an FAC for an airgun! OK there maybe a crossover point with .50 cal airguns. However, for most airguns .30 cal or below even fac pressures offer little more than shotgun. At the higher end range may be a little more 150yd as opposed to around 80-100. But at closer range, ask yourself which is deadlier a 60ft lbs pellet or a 1 1/2 ounces of number 1 at 1,500fps. I know which I fear more and it isn't the air gun! There has to be some restriction over 12ft lbs granted, but why not SGC? If you can be trusted as safe with a shotgun and have passed all the background checks, then it's bit ridiculous you can't hold an airgun over 12 flbs on the SGC, at least .30 or .35 cal and below which is the point over which the really high energy airguns emerge ie 300-400ft lbs 50 cals. 

As for handguns etc, a lot of US crime is down to poor vetting and no safe keeping. Leave a gun ina  drawer and of course a burglar or disaffected teenager cna get their hands on it. In a safe or combi-locked holster, it's becomes much harder for it to be misused. I won't touch on self defence other than to say with proper vetting based on no convictions etc I don't see why it would increase general public risk.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Alsone

[Alsone 789]

1 hour ago, Sausagedog said:

Knew you would bite   

Yeah he ate the evidence.

[Dervburner 2,549]

7 minutes ago, Alsone said:

UK firearm laws go too far. eg. 12ftlbs+ airguns being FAC. Since when was the average FAC airgun more deadly than shotgun? Yet you can hold a shotgun on a SGC but need an FAC for an airgun! OK there maybe a crossover point with .50 cal airguns. However, for most airguns .30 cal or below even fac pressures offer little more than shotgun. At the higher end range may be a little more 150yd as opposed to around 80-100. But at closer range, ask yourself which is deadlier a 60ft lbs pellet or a 1 1/2 ounces of number 1 at 1,500fps. I know which I fear more and it isn't the air gun! There has to be some restriction over 12ft lbs granted, but why not SGC? If you can be trusted as safe with a shotgun and have passed all the background checks, then it's bit ridiculous you can't hold an airgun over 12 flbs on the SGC, at least .30 or .35 cal and below which is the point over which the really high energy airguns emerge ie 300-400ft lbs 50 cals. 

As for handguns etc, a lot of US crime is down to poor vetting and no safe keeping. Leave a gun ina  drawer and of course a burglar or disaffected teenager cna get their hands on it. In a safe or combi-locked holster, it's becomes much harder for it to be misused. I won't touch on self defence other than to say with proper vetting based on no convictions etc I don't see why it would increase general public risk.

I’ve thought that for a long time, high powered airguns, at least up to 35/40 ft lbs should be section 2. No way are they more potentially dangerous than a 12 gauge shotgun, especially using heavy loads of big shot. As for sg’s etc carrying 200 ft lbs per pellet? not in the same league regarding firepower.

[Meece 1,957]

11 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

Intresting. Little confused when you where referring to AR lowers but other than that very interesting. Just from reading some of the stuff in the general forum ( when I pop in there from time to time ) seems y'all are decending into a third would country rampant crime and all that the way some talk, well at least that's the impression I got.

But thank you very much for the explanation

 

7 hours ago, Dervburner said:

The last “crime “ I heard about in my village was somebody woke up to find that someone had thrown a slice of cheese on his car. He went door to door asking if anyone had seen anything?

As I wrote discussing firearms controls is a complicated and emotional subject. I hate the whole system of firearms legislation and the way that plod interprets the law and worm around the laws for their own ambitions.  I hate basic because of the way that they profess to represent the sportsman /shooter but in reality do sweet FA and in a lot of cases actually go against the members interest by agreeing with anti proposals.

Third world.. a definition....

Third World - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

I cannot see the UK in any way just because a few inner city kids in black teenage gangs go round stabbing one another cos "it's  cool" or "awesome" . Still I  suppose that it's part of natural selection. It's a good job that we have gun laws because if they could get access to proper weapons there'd be more slaughter than covid. Still that might not be such a bad thing.  There's about 65 million population drawing fresh air so a cull might be useful.  I had to laugh at the slice of cheese on the car.  It could have been more serious like some Ba,lamb drove through the village and splashed some old granny when they drove through a puddle.  That's the standard of reporting on the local tv stations.

[Meece 1,957]

7 hours ago, Dervburner said:

The last “crime “ I heard about in my village was somebody woke up to find that someone had thrown a slice of cheese on his car. He went door to door asking if anyone had seen anything?

" OK,  which one of you bastads don't like red Leicester slices then"?

[BenBhoy 4,706]

8 hours ago, Dervburner said:

The last “crime “ I heard about in my village was somebody woke up to find that someone had thrown a slice of cheese on his car. He went door to door asking if anyone had seen anything?

That's unbrielievable...

[Dervburner 2,549]

20 minutes ago, BenBhoy said:

That's unbrielievable...

[Meece 1,957]

3rd world eh,  well we've got running water,  electricity, planes, boats and all sorts of stuff.  we've even got cheese slices that someone don't like. No pleasing some is there.