FREE AT LAST !

[WILF 48,444]

2 hours ago, low plains drifter said:

Wilf, are you familiar with Mossy Bottom ?

I wasn’t but I looked it up after reading your question and that dude is pretty close to me 

[low plains drifter 10,952]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

I wasn’t but I looked it up after reading your question and that dude is pretty close to me 

Thought he might be one of your neighbours

[WILF 48,444]

7 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

Thought he might be one of your neighbours

Neighbours here means “within 10 miles” lol 

[low plains drifter 10,952]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Neighbours here means “within 10 miles” lol 

That's what I thought

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, .357shooter said:

stupid post.not really.what does it cost per immigrant per year ?.multiply that by 8k and see what you get.how much of the tax that we pay each year goes towards this ?.soon the tax burden will have to increase to pay for the extra mouths that need to be fed.so does everyone want to pay more tax for illeagals ?.do not feel very free knowing i will have to work even longer to pay for these economic migrants.or am i just being stupid working for a living then when i get a pension it will be a lot less than what an immigrant will get.

What the f**k has that got to do with taking back control? Read the posts after yours. There is more to Brexit than trying to undo the wrongs of the last twenty years. It is about tomorrow, not yesterday!

[KimE 487]

5 hours ago, eastcoast said:

I have always thought that membership of the EU was less beneficial to the UK that to other countries. My reasons may be dismissed as naive or irrelevant in the 21st century and probably no doubt xenophobic to those who disagree. Basically we are unique as an European country that was an EU member. It cannot be disputed that we are an island. The R.O.I position being complicated by N.I. and Iceland is officially a non-EU state. 

One of the fundamentals of EU foundation was to prevent future wars in Europe in the aftermath of WW2. I can well see the importance of this to other countries who share borders with potentially hostile neighbours and they have been invading each other for centuries and those borders have been ever changing. Some of those countries have only been in existence for decades rather than centuries and have diverse and disparate populations due to those oft changing borders. The North Sea and English Channel has always given the UK a natural and formidable defence against hostile neighbours and together with the formation of the Royal Navy is the reason the we have not been successfully invaded, at least by force,  since 1066. For this reason I believe the UK gradually developed to be the most stable country in the world not just Europe and has been since the English civil war.

The Commonwealth of Nations (formerly British Commonwealth) again makes us unique. Other European countries may have had empires but the Commonwealth consists of former colonies that now have their independence but wish to retain ties with the "Motherland". I believe this to be one of the things that our European "family" despise about us and the EU has made it ever more difficult for these counties to trade with the UK. 

Something more objective is the sometimes contradictory attitude of those in other European counties to the UK, or GB or England when you talk to people. Why do they give us poor marks in the European Song Contest, surely it is not because we submit crap songs every year?  I have Czech friends who have lived and honestly and legally worked here. They love the UK, not just the potential to make good wages but have a respect for our history and culture modern and ancient from Durham Cathedral and Bamburgh Castle to the Sex Pistols and the Premier League. But they still feel betrayed by Britain in 1938, long before they were born, when we took no action over the Annex of Sudentenland. This is an attitude that has been passed down to them from their parents who in turn were told this by their parents.

Similarly I have Polish friends with long memories. As above they like and respect the UK but an attitude that has been passed down to them is not so much to be grateful that GB stepped up when the Germans invaded their country in 1939 but a feeling of betrayal by Churchill after the war for leaving them at the mercy of Stalin.

I believe that we are more capable of standing on our own two feet than any other European nation and now have greater freedom to develop trade and form relationships with those who want to deal with us other for mutual benefit, including the rest of Europe whether they be EU members or not rather than being dictated to by the EU

 

 

An empire last about 200 years Britains ended with ww1 , wake up and get used to the new reality.

British £ down 10% against sek this year. UK stockmarket down also about 10%.

 

 

 

[chartpolski 25,876]

6 minutes ago, KimE said:

An empire last about 200 years Britains ended with ww1 , wake up and get used to the new reality.

British £ down 10% against sek this year. UK stockmarket down also about 10%.

 

 

 

Not sure where you get your figures from, but the UK has just moved from being the 5th biggest economy in the world to the 4th biggest.

The pound is up against the dollar, I don't think to many wil be worried about the Swedish Krona.

Why does Brexit upset you so much ?

Cheers.

[tatsblisters 10,740]

I know one thing it's the first time ordinary working class people like me have actually got something they voted for for once in my lifetime anyway. 

[MH1 1,898]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/02/verhofstadt-brits-chose-brexit-affirm-their-right-to-supid-will-rejoin-later/

 

[eastcoast 4,308]

9 hours ago, tatsblisters said:

I know one thing it's the first time ordinary working class people like me have actually got something they voted for for once in my lifetime anyway. 

It's interesting that you make the point of getting something that you voted for. I'm not pretending to be an expert on the EU and have not read a great deal about it not being a political animal, and a little knowledge is as they say a dangerous thing . But ...as I understand it, the fundamental of the founding fathers of the Council of Europe, the base line in the development of the EU, was to prevent extreme nationalism. No longer should the masses be trusted to give power to "political parties" such as the German National Socialist Party by means of a democratic voting system. These important decisions should be made for them by a small group of educated political elite. 

This is my basic understanding of the underlying ethos of EU but stand to corrected/educated.

Edited January 2, 2021 by eastcoast

[chartpolski 25,876]

4 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

It's interesting that you make the point of getting something that you voted for. I'm not pretending to be an expert on the EU and have not read a great deal about it not being a political animal, and a little knowledge is as they say a dangerous thing . But ...as I understand it, the fundamental of the founding fathers of the Council of Europe, the base line in the development of the EU, was to prevent extreme nationalism. No longer should the masses be trusted to give power to "political parties" such as the German National Socialist Party by means of a democratic voting system. These important decisions should be made for them by a small group of educated political elite. 

This is my basic understanding of the underlying ethos of EU but stand to corrected/educated.

That's what they would like us to think now, but it was originally the European Coal And Steel Community, simply a trade agreement to stop them undercutting each other.

With each new treaty came more members and more trade agreements, eventually leading to the single market, customs union, schengen agreement and the euro and European Central Bank.

It was all about trade, if it had anything to do with wars, why did Degaul veto the U.K. from joining, twice ? After all the UK was one of the victors in ww2, and still one of the most powerful nations on the earth, who better to guarantee peace in Europe.

It all changed with the Mastrich and Lisbon treaties, it was no longer about trade, it was about a United States of Europe, with the members giving up more and more sovereignty to Brussels. Their own flag, national anthem, President, currency, ambassadors, and eventually their own army, and the power to set tax rates for each member country.

If it had stayed a simple trading block the U.K. Would probably still be a member, but to give up your sovereignty to an unelected elite never sat well with an independent, sovereign, island nation that has/had a long history of independence and free trade with the world.

So, we left !

Cheers.

[Nicepix 5,650]

7 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

It's interesting that you make the point of getting something that you voted for. I'm not pretending to be an expert on the EU and have not read a great deal about it not being a political animal, and a little knowledge is as they say a dangerous thing . But ...as I understand it, the fundamental of the founding fathers of the Council of Europe, the base line in the development of the EU, was to prevent extreme nationalism. No longer should the masses be trusted to give power to "political parties" such as the German National Socialist Party by means of a democratic voting system. These important decisions should be made for them by a small group of educated political elite. 

This is my basic understanding of the underlying ethos of EU but stand to corrected/educated.

Jean-Claude Drunkers was furious with Camamoron for allowing the Referendum. He publicly stated that he shouldn't have allowed them (us) to vote. Democracy is not what the EU is all about. The way the EU works is to trap small countries by offering them money in the form of subsidies and loans. But to get that money the small country has to sign up to EU rules which include trade barriers with non-EU countries. So whereas Bulgaria and other poor countries would usually buy cheap Russian tractors once they were in the EU they couldn't. They had to buy the more expensive French and German tractors.

EU companies profit from this closed market and also cheap labour. Renault has a huge factory in Romania where the minimum wage is a fraction of French wages. Germany 'outsources' to countries like Slovenia where they can get EU grants to set up companies in poor areas and once the five year period of grants is up they re-locate to another country and claim the grants all over again.

The EU has a Parliament, but the MEPs don't get to make policy. They can only vote on policies dreamed up and presented to them by the central EU management. If the MEPs voted the policy down the EU would bully, bribe or threaten whichever country the MEPs belonged to to get them to drop their opposition. Basically the EU is subsidising EU businesses by the back door which is no  use for the UK as the UK doesn't have a large manufacturing base. So all the money paid in by British taxpayers was subsidising French, German and Dutch businesses.

The UK had the worst deal of any country followed by France. The only way is up from now.

[eastcoast 4,308]

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

That's what they would like us to think now, but it was originally the European Coal And Steel Community, simply a trade agreement to stop them undercutting each other.

With each new treaty came more members and more trade agreements, eventually leading to the single market, customs union, schengen agreement and the euro and European Central Bank.

It was all about trade, if it had anything to do with wars, why did Degaul veto the U.K. from joining, twice ? After all the UK was one of the victors in ww2, and still one of the most powerful nations on the earth, who better to guarantee peace in Europe.

It all changed with the Mastrich and Lisbon treaties, it was no longer about trade, it was about a United States of Europe, with the members giving up more and more sovereignty to Brussels. Their own flag, national anthem, President, currency, ambassadors, and eventually their own army, and the power to set tax rates for each member country.

If it had stayed a simple trading block the U.K. Would probably still be a member, but to give up your sovereignty to an unelected elite never sat well with an independent, sovereign, island nation that has/had a long history of independence and free trade with the world.

So, we left !

Cheers.

Cheers chartpolski. 

[chartpolski 25,876]

NAFTA is the North American version of what the EU should be. A free trade agreement, but no customs union, no monetary union, no freedom of movement, no giving up sovereignty.

Can you imagine the Americans letting the Mexicans set their monetary policy, or letting the Canadians over rule the American Supreme Court ? Of course not, it's just a free trade agreement that suits all three.

Theres other such agreements around the world that work, i think the UK is attempting to join the Trans Pacific  free trade group !

A huge group that has free trade, but no loss of sovereignty, and isn't trying to set itself up as "country".

Cheers.

 

[eastcoast 4,308]

1 hour ago, MH1 said:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/01/02/verhofstadt-brits-chose-brexit-affirm-their-right-to-supid-will-rejoin-later/

 

That just about sums up the attitude of the political elite in modern Europe. The same as the Jeremy Corbyn disciples, if you do not regard him as the answer to all the word's problems then you are too stupid to have an opinion worth listening to. I very rarely talk politics but have got on my high horse a bit in this topic. I am sick of the attitude that if you are white and working class but do not have a Che Guevara tattoo then you are a sub species. Ironic really as these middle class working class heroes have become the very thing that they purport to despise. 

That's me done and I'm off to look at the Bushing Dog section and think happier thoughts.

Edited January 2, 2021 by eastcoast