Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: The thing is anyone can find the information they want, I could find 20 articles showing hospitals with ques and the door and you could find the opposite. We will always find the data that suits our agenda It’s not about finding links when the news is telling you your hospital is at bursting point and your mate who works there says it’s not or the nhs,s own website actually debunks what the staff are saying on the tv it’s clearly lying and people don’t lie unless they have something to hide which makes people like me a little bit suspicious Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Generation 93 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Balaur said: Presumably if the SA variant proves similar enough to be covered by current vaccines travel arrangements and compulsory vaccination will presumably alter to suit once vulnerable are vaccinated..... It looks from early evidence that the current vaccines protect against the South African variant. No-one is talking about compulsory vaccination and I can't that ever being acceptable in this country Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Balaur said: London nightingale is to be one of the major vaccination centres, 1000 a day dying, I think it's widely accepted once you're on a ventilator your chances of survival drop rapidly whether the ventilator increase viral dose in lungs or whether it was already a severe infection or you had other complications etc..... The city ground will be up and running as a super van centre within weeks I heard on local radio 1 Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Greyman said: It’s not about finding links when the news is telling you your hospital is at bursting point and your mate who works there says it’s not or the nhs,s own website actually debunks what the staff are saying on the tv it’s clearly lying and people don’t lie unless they have something to hide which makes people like me a little bit suspicious Is your mate on a covid ward? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,823 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, South hams hunter said: This seems to be the thing people are forgetting mush, it's all the anarchy rebellion side where people will just fight against something for the sake of it. I think it was Charts who was saying they were pumped full of all sorts just to work in Saud or wherever. No Vacs, no travel, no job Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,823 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Greyman said: That’s the problem we want to leave it but seems we are not allowed Grey mate, yes you are. No different to the flu jab or MMR! You can choose but the onus is on the individual/parent/person responsible. If a country says "go fuuck yourself if you haven't had the jab" Who the hell are you or me to say nah mate, I'm exempt? Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, mushroom said: I think it was Charts who was saying they were pumped full of all sorts just to work in Saud or wherever. No Vacs, no travel, no job He did and so did stiff say he couldn't deploy without certain bits. The vaccine is our choice the same as it's everyone's choice not to accept not vaccinated people Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Lost Generation said: Risk from Covid is individual, if you follow the link I gave earlier: https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FPatientInformation%2FPatientInformation you will be able to calculate your own personal risk. I am setting out the science as I know it. Remember also that this is a new infection with unknown sequalae, I have fieinds with long Covid who are pretty much incapacitated by it and we have no idea whether they will recover or not. The reason for the mass vaccination programme is to protect those most at risk, and to sop teh NHS collapsing under the weight of sickness. You may feel invulnerable, but you could be directly responsible for the death of others by spreading the virus. That last sentence is what gets right on my tits, I could kill someone every time I drive down the road in my van, should I stay in, and if all those who feel vulnerable are vaccinated how would I kill them it’s an empty answer to make people feel guilty about there decision if you as you said in your first post are happy for people like me to die as a way of cleansing the idiots why are you trying to sell the vaccine to me, and lastly if these vaccines are so safe and so well tested as you claim why have they had to change the parameters 3 times since it was rolled out, first it was going to save everyone then not if you have an allergy then not if you pregnant and then not if your under 15 the ones we are being told are super spreaders smoke and mirrors is what I,m seeing, and just before my battery dies have a look for the Swansea company that have just came out with a covid smart chip that will Pearce your skin inject you and monitor you after the stuff goes in, it will be ready in 3 years even though we are going to be coming out of it this spring 2021 according to boris who is taking advice from the top scientists Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, mushroom said: Grey mate, yes you are. No different to the flu jab or MMR! You can choose but the onus is on the individual/parent/person responsible. If a country says "go fuuck yourself if you haven't had the jab" Who the hell are you or me to say nah mate, I'm exempt? Not telling anyone to go feck themselves and am quite happy to stay out of places that want me to have it, but I think you will find this won’t stop at that and only time will tell who is right or wrong, as I just said a Swansea company has developed a covid, chip ready in 3 years I,ll stick a link up next time I,m on as my battery is about to die if nobody else does first, Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,823 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Greyman said: Not telling anyone to go feck themselves and am quite happy to stay out of places that want me to have it, but I think you will find this won’t stop at that and only time will tell who is right or wrong, as I just said a Swansea company has developed a covid, chip ready in 3 years I,ll stick a link up next time I,m on as my battery is about to die if nobody else does first, A country has the right to say, no vac, jog on, your name ain't down. Too add, the chips are the same as in our animals and passports They only hold data and cannot be accessed by satellites fgs Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: Come on I said months ago they would covertly blackmail folk and I was told they wouldn’t happen They have the vast majority of the population dumbed down already without more shit in their systems lol They're not blackmailing anyone, it's free choice Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 16 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: Ok daft arse if you say so ya numb Fooker No need to be rude Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: With you there certainly is And what's that? I've not been rude to you Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,823 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Ah ffs this has got pathetic now! Take the vaccine or don't and face the furious consequence f***ing eejots! No idea and all the mouth. There is no technology exisitng that could put a chip in a vaccine, for christs sake wake up! If they say chip (which I don't want) it's the same as everyone of us who has a passport/registered dog or cat 'Kin grow up 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Generation 93 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, maxhardcore said: But why should free citizens be forced into something that has a very low kill rate ? And that low kill rate is probably half as low as we all know the figures are being altered in respect they putting any death they can get away with down to Covid to boost the death rate . My neighbour just allowed out today after a positive test ‘ said he’s had worse light colds never mind flu ‘lost his sense of taste that was it . His Mrs and two kids who he lives with never got this Covid ? his bro and father never got it or his sister or her kid ect 2 more mates had it and they got their 92 year old great aunt tested as they had been helping her re house work eft She tested pos but did not even feel ill in any way shape or form all the way thru her supposed Covid Where are all the winter colds and flu cases disappearing too ? 1,325 new Covid deaths today. No-one is being forced into anything, no-one will be compelled to take the vaccine against their will. If you prefer to take the risk of a miserable death, slowly drowning in your own lung secretions or the risk of being left with wrecked lungs and brain rather than take a completely safe vaccination then that is up to you, although I do have some objections to the the impact your decision may have on NHS resources and the fact that you may spread the infection to others. Use the link to the calculator I have posted and work out your own risks. Most people with Covid seem to be at low risk of spreading it even within their own households, but a minority people are highly infectious and can become superspreaders if they dont take sensible precautions. At the moment there is no easy way to identify among the infected who is a high risk spreader and who isn't. Covid is a new illness, we don't know much about it yet and particularly we don't really understand if there are going to be long-term health consequences such as increased cancer risk or increased risk of severe auto-immune reactions (like encephalitis lethargica which followed on from the 1918/1919 H1N1 Spanish Flu) to Covid infection in those who have had mild or asymptomatic disease, just as we dont yet know the long-term outcomes of the lung, heart, brain and multi-system damage from long-Covid. If they knew a little more about viral infections and their sequalae, I think that most people would be rather concerned more about these things than they seem to be at the moment. I have lost a family member to Covid and I also have two close friends who are struggling to cope with the severe impact of long-Covid months after their acute infection resolved and are unable to work full-time becuase of this. I also lost a family member in the first wave of Covid 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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