to have the corvid jab or not

[dogmandont 9,736]

If a vaccine helps protect the vulnerable I'm all for it, if it had of been rolled out a couple of months earlier my mother would still be on here feet and not stuck in a hospital bed in her home unable to feed herself or recognise her children or grandkids. 

But on the flip side if me the wife or kids are offered the vaccine we'll all be refusing it as long as we're reasonably healthy at the time but no one knows what's round the corner health wise so I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 

 

[Lost Generation 93]

2 hours ago, Greyman said:

With vaccines that have undergone years of trials for diseases that have a much higher fatality rate than 0,2% wtf is so hard for all you super intelligent vax fans to grasp,

There's a good recent study from UCL which estimates the case fatality rate for Covid-19 in developed countries at 1.15% which if the disease were left unchecked would amount to at least 690,000 deaths in a population of 60 million although with the UK's ageing population probably rather more than that, plus however many hundreds of thousands of people crippled with long-Covid. Is that what you want?

[twobob 1,497]

1 minute ago, dogmandont said:

If a vaccine helps protect the vulnerable I'm all for it, if it had of been rolled out a couple of months earlier my mother would still be on here feet and not stuck in a hospital bed in her home unable to feed herself or recognise her children or grandkids. 

But on the flip side if me the wife or kids are offered the vaccine we'll all be refusing it as long as we're reasonably healthy at the time but no one knows what's round the corner health wise so I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. 

 

Thats what alot dont seem to understand  all our circumstance s are different if I had kids that where school age they wouldn't have gone back till this was over

[thefensarefarbutistillgo 2,481]

48 minutes ago, Lost Generation said:

There's a good recent study from UCL which estimates the case fatality rate for Covid-19 in developed countries at 1.15% which if the disease were left unchecked would amount to at least 690,000 deaths in a population of 60 million although with the UK's ageing population probably rather more than that, plus however many hundreds of thousands of people crippled with long-Covid. Is that what you want?

Hundreds of thousands crippled, don’t talk shit man 

[Greyman 27,969]

37 minutes ago, Lost Generation said:

There's a good recent study from UCL which estimates the case fatality rate for Covid-19 in developed countries at 1.15% which if the disease were left unchecked would amount to at least 690,000 deaths in a population of 60 million although with the UK's ageing population probably rather more than that, plus however many hundreds of thousands of people crippled with long-Covid. Is that what you want?

Be like all my christmases come at once you tool, all I want is to be left to get my life back on track and not keep wondering how many more things can be put in place to stop me earning a living and for that I,m perfectly happy to run the gauntlet of this virus and all it has to throw at me, if I started publishing the road traffic deaths on a daily basis would you be willing to walk everywhere  or be told when and where you can go or if your job is deemed necessary  I very much doubt it,  finally your study is an estimation and from where I,m sitting every one we have had so far over this has been just slightly exaggerated so I suspect once again the reality will be even less  

[sandymere 8,263]

18 hours ago, socks said:

Chris whitty has openly said numerous times that the vaccine will not stop you catching or transmitting the virus but will drastically reduce your risk of dying from it .... so it’s pointless giving it to kids. 

 

"There is a theoretical risk that you could pass the virus on to others despite being vaccinated,” ( Kirsten Hokeness, Ph.D., director of Bryant University’s new Center for Health and Behavioral Sciences.)

But virus transmission by vaccinated people hopefully won’t be the case. The goal of the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus in the future, your immune system rapidly ramps up and attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, as long as the vaccine boasts a strong immunological response, it is likely that the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly,” That would limit your ability to spread it to others. “It can happen, but the risks would be far less than if you were not vaccinated,” she says, adding that “since the vaccine requires a booster it may be that your ability to spread the virus would be greater if you only got one dose, but there is not data available yet that would suggest that that is the case."

[sandymere 8,263]

12 hours ago, maxhardcore said:

There will be thousands up on thousands if not hundreds of thousands that will have had it that don’t even know 

That alone brings that fatality rate right down.

Yes but that is not some great insight you've found the epidemiologist who calculate death rates are aware of the non symptomatic individuals when calculation outcomes they're studied epidemiology and the death rate is to high. 

[socks 32,253]

1 hour ago, sandymere said:

 

"There is a theoretical risk that you could pass the virus on to others despite being vaccinated,” ( Kirsten Hokeness, Ph.D., director of Bryant University’s new Center for Health and Behavioral Sciences.)

But virus transmission by vaccinated people hopefully won’t be the case. The goal of the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus in the future, your immune system rapidly ramps up and attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, as long as the vaccine boasts a strong immunological response, it is likely that the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly,” That would limit your ability to spread it to others. “It can happen, but the risks would be far less than if you were not vaccinated,” she says, adding that “since the vaccine requires a booster it may be that your ability to spread the virus would be greater if you only got one dose, but there is not data available yet that would suggest that that is the case."

That’s just one scientists theory. A large consensus of scientists conclude that the vaccine does not stop transmission. 

[antg 1,765]

were self isolating in our house. this is the forth time. my daughter had corvid in april last year and was pretty poorly. in bed for a fortnight but recoverd well. i was really worried about catching it as i have a suppressed immune system due to medication i take and a few other health conditions. i contracted corvid in october and had bad guts, headache loss of taste/smell and coughing.took me 5 weeks to get over it. honestly i felt like id dodged a bullet! got a text of nhs 4 weeks later telling me i had to isolate as id tested posative when i had not being tested again! my wife tested positive last week and has no symptoms what so ever but we all have to isolate as the nhs contacted my wife. its a bit of a ball ache but thats life. im in no hurry to take the jab because ive had covid and should have some resistace/antibodies to fight it but im not against it. if i had not had corvid, id be wanting to have it asap. 

[sandymere 8,263]

2 hours ago, socks said:

That’s just one scientists theory. A large consensus of scientists conclude that the vaccine does not stop transmission. 

Show me this large concensus.

 

This is the scientific concensus. 

https://www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagement/guide-childhood-vaccinations/how-vaccines-work

What whitty etc mean is that not everyone who gets a vaccine becomes immune as their immune response doesn't recognise the vaccine, some already have the infection when vaccinated, some get infected before the vaccine starts to work but in the majority of cases the vaccine works. So some vaccinated people can spread a disease but Epidemiologist take these factors into account when estimating the number needed to create herd immunity.

Basically if we exclude children then we reduce the probability of reaching the population percentage need as well as failing to protect the children themselves. 

 

[sandymere 8,263]

1 minute ago, antg said:

were self isolating in our house. this is the forth time. my daughter had corvid in april last year and was pretty poorly. in bed for a fourtnight but recoverd well. i was really worried about catching it as i have a suppressed immune system due to medication i take and a few other health conditions. i contracted corvid in october and had bad guts, headache loss of taste/smell and coughing.took me 5 weeks to get over it. honestly i felt like id dodged a bullet! got a text of nhs 4 weeks later telling me i had to isolate as id tested posative when i had not being tested again! my wife tested positive last week and has no symptoms what so ever but we all have to isolate as the nhs contacted my wife. its a bit of a ball ache but thats life. im in no hurry to take the jab because ive had covid and should have some resistace/antibodies to fight it but im not against it. if i had not had corvid, id be wanting to have it asap. 

The vaccine will most likely boost your longer term up immunity. 

[sandymere 8,263]

3 hours ago, maxhardcore said:

How are they aware of them if those that have it don’t even know ?

Are they psychic ?

Its a guess at best

Talking to my mates 18 year old last night’ he’s tested positive ‘not one symptom at all 

Nothing .

They know because they are studying it, ie testing groups of people to get those very statistics, do you really think epidemiologist haven't done all this before? Like all those specialists don't know what they are doing? 

[walshie 2,804]

On 12/01/2021 at 12:09, socks said:

Well my test came back negative. That weak Chinese shit can’t survive in my superior welsh body

Why did you have a test mate?

[socks 32,253]

29 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Show me this large concensus.

 

This is the scientific concensus. 

https://www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagement/guide-childhood-vaccinations/how-vaccines-work

What whitty etc mean is that not everyone who gets a vaccine becomes immune as their immune response doesn't recognise the vaccine, some already have the infection when vaccinated, some get infected before the vaccine starts to work but in the majority of cases the vaccine works. So some vaccinated people can spread a disease but Epidemiologist take these factors into account when estimating the number needed to create herd immunity.

Basically if we exclude children then we reduce the probability of reaching the population percentage need as well as failing to protect the children themselves. 

 

In this country alone whitty, valance and van tam have all said it doesn’t stop infection and that kids don’t need it. 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

How does a vaccine for any virus stop transmission of the virus? 

Everyone knows the average flu jabbed civilian generally gets the cold (sometimes the flu) every winter after they get their jab, why, because their immune system is low due to the vaccine and that means their likely to pass on their cold virus to others that their in contact with. Correct me if I'm wrong.