to have the corvid jab or not

[socks 32,253]

5 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Sorry that's wrong, if that were true then vaccines just wouldn't be as effective as they are in such cases as smallpox. Covid virus can live for a while outside of a person etc but not long so spread is limited and for the majority of people who are vaccinated don't get covid to the extent of starting to shed the virus so don't pass it on. So the virus gets isolated and the R rate drops until it is either eradicated as in smallpox or it becomes manageable. Its basic herd immunity via vaccine.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-herd-immunity/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31924-3/fulltext

Chris whitty has openly said numerous times that the vaccine will not stop you catching or transmitting the virus but will drastically reduce your risk of dying from it .... so it’s pointless giving it to kids. 

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

8 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Wrong.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/will-natural-herd-immunity-end-the-pandemic/

I'll have a scan of that but imo vaccines for 'healthy people' is wrong and should be avoided especially when we're dealing with a virus that's taking the lives of people on average of eighty years old?? That's just ridiculous and makes no sense why they are pushing vaccines or suggesting that those out with the main target group should also be vaccinated, ie children. Follow the science? Why vaccinate children? 

Follow the money more like, because they are not following any science that's for sure.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Neobliviscaris1776

[chartpolski 23,027]

40 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

I’m on about this Covid vax

would you want it for you and child now ?

 

How many times do I have to say it ?

Im on the fence about the vax, I'm hoping that when my turn comes, I , and every one else, will have far more information about it, then I'll make a considered decision.

BUT, I have family overseas, as, I think do you. If those countries or the airlines that serve them, say I must have the vaccination, then you and I will be forced into the same decision if we want to visit our families.

I will decide if my desire to see my grandson outweighs any objection I have to the vaccination, and make a decision.

BUT , it won't be the government, or the airline or the foreign country or anyone else making that decision, it will be MINE, and MINE alone. No one will force me.

Cheers.

[chartpolski 23,027]

4 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

Good Swerve

What on earth have I swerved ?

Ive said time and time again, I'm on the fence until I know more about the vax, but if it came to the choice of seeing my grandson or not, then I'd probably have it.

I couldn't be clearer, if you think that's a swerve, there's no point in discussing it with you.

Cheers.

Edited January 12, 2021 by chartpolski

[shaaark 10,693]

I'm with max, greyman, socks and a couple of others on this, as I have been for a while anyway. Just read, on 'covid 19 alert', and a couple of other reports, that it IS still possible to contract and transmit covid after you've had the vaccine. 

Most people WON'T die of it, IF they do catch it. Most people, if they are fairly fit, won't suffer even as much as a normal flu, if they do get it. Kids are even less likely to contract it.  And I'm still in no doubt whatsoever, that I, or my mrs and youngest lad, will NOT be having this vaccine.

And it's got NOTHING to do with conspiracy theories. I'm probably the LEAST conspiracy theorist you'll ever speak to.  Don't believe in absolutely f**k all, apart from what I can see, feel or use my own judgement about.

I know covid is real, my eldest son, and daughter in law, have had it, my father in law had it, and a couple of other people I personally know, have had it. 

None of whom I've mentioned will be having the vaccine. My mrs midwife has had it, but a few of her work colleagues won't have it. Hmmm, I wonder why not?

I don't need to read 5 page essays of government/scientific figures, graphs and f**k knows what else, to help me make my mind up about anything.

[chartpolski 23,027]

Ok, this is my last reply on your question.

Its the same reply but phrased in a way you might understand better.

IF I was a fit, healthy, young man, with a child, I would still be on the fence, neither for or against the vax until I got more information.

If the information I got was reliable and positive, I'd be more inclined to have myself and my child vaccinated than not.

Thats an honest, accurate answer, if it doesn't suit your agenda, then there's nothing more I can do or say.

Cheers.

[South hams hunter 8,921]

I thinks it's simple really; if you want it have it and if you don't then don't 

[Greb147 6,809]

2 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

Like a politician you danced around the question asked .

From the evidence we have re kids dying from Covid or should we say the lack of evidence of childhood Covid deaths 

Wouid you if a young man with a child under this current virus get yourself or your child vaccinated ????????

Max, if you saw someone close to you catch and die from the virus you'd be rolling your sleeves up in no time mate. 

 

[shaaark 10,693]

4 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

A good summary and the vast majority who do get vax will only do so because of scare tactics re holidays ect

Completely agree

[Greyman 27,969]

1 hour ago, sandymere said:

We know because we have a massive knowledge of vaccines and how the body works re immunity, its all out there produced by some very clever people over many years of research and study, bit more than the antivac basis.

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/mrna-vaccine-myths-anti-vax-pseudoscience-on-covid-19-vaccines/

 

Start looking a good information sources to base your decisions on.

Or on the fact 99.8% recover without it, you think everyone is so for or against this that you can’t see outside your blinkers, if I never watched news or went online I see absolutely nothing happening, so until I see some more solid evidence to say this virus is so bad I need a vaccine then I,m simply not interested or that bothered, and yes I would happily walk onto a ward full of these terribly ill people but I,m not allowed to, I have no problem with anyone that wants it, but do have a problem when you start trying to divide people into smart ones want it and idiots don’t and that is when you loose any credibility you may have once had in my humble opinion 

[shaaark 10,693]

2 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

I thinks it's simple really; if you want it have it and if you don't then don't 

That's exactly what max, greyman and others have been saying. Can't see what's so hard to understand?!

[Greyman 27,969]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

Max, if you saw someone close to you catch and die from the virus you'd be rolling your sleeves up in no time mate. 

 

Which would be normal, but as all he sees is the same as most of us, people being a bit poorly for a week or two then fine and dandy his decision not to rush in is probably the right one

[shaaark 10,693]

3 minutes ago, Greyman said:

if I never watched news or went online I see absolutely nothing happening, so

Same where I'm living G. Actually been more 'get togethers' re drinking in gardens etc, than at other normal times.

[Greb147 6,809]

14 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Which would be normal, but as all he sees is the same as most of us, people being a bit poorly for a week or two then fine and dandy his decision not to rush in is probably the right one

So it basically comes down to "I'm alright Jack" once again. 

None of us will take it as serious as maybe we should because it's not affected us as of yet and touch wood never will. 

I don't know why this topic is still carrying on tbh, folk will either have the vaccine or they won't, it's their choice for now. 

[Greyman 27,969]

Getting busy now, more staff have arrived and panned out so you don’t think I’m photographing the wrong place like all those people who have accidentally stumbled on empty hospital wards,