MH1 1,866 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Everyone out clapping tonight then? Lol Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, MH1 said: Everyone out clapping tonight then? Lol What a crock of shit that is 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 60 years old morbidly obese and just quit the fags, denying the media’s reporting of his coved Edited January 7, 2021 by Greyman Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13681482/miami-doctor-died-blood-disorder-pfizer-covid-vaccine/?utm_campaign=sunmainfacebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1610053175 Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just spoke to a friend working in southmead hospital, which is Bristol’s biggest hospital, there are 6 patients on ventilators in the entire hospital at this moment in time, can see why this vaccine is so important to so many, Link to post Share on other sites
Ted Newgent 4,896 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Scotland in full lockdown due to the over capacity of the nhs there official government figures suggest otherwise Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Generation 93 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 19:39, South hams hunter said: Don't forget death numbers are fake but the covid jab killed someone in Portugal Really? The Oxford/Astra Zenecca jab has been trialed in the UK, USA, Brazil & South Africa. The Pfizer jab has been trialled in the USA, Germany, Turkey, South Africa & Brazil and the Moderna jab which was approved today has only been trailled in the USA. None of these vaccines has been trialled in Portugal so there can't have been been any deaths on study in Portugal. The remarkable thing about these vaccines is actually how safe they are when you think that even common over the counter drugs like Aspirin kill somewhere between the low hundreds to low thousands of individuals in this country each year. If you want to calculate your personal risk of dying from or being hospitalised with Covid then the calculator here: https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FPatientInformation%2FPatientInformation should be of interest. What you need to think about additionally, is the significant risk of being crippled, perhaps permanently by long-covid and the risk of infecting others around you and possibly being responsible for their deaths. The calculator obviously also can't take account of individual genetic differences which affect response to infection. Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lost Generation said: Really? The Oxford/Astra Zenecca jab has been trialed in the UK, USA, Brazil & South Africa. The Pfizer jab has been trialled in the USA, Germany, Turkey, South Africa & Brazil and the Moderna jab which was approved today has only been trailled in the USA. None of these vaccines has been trialled in Portugal so there can't have been been any deaths on study in Portugal. The remarkable thing about these vaccines is actually how safe they are when you think that even common over the counter drugs like Aspirin kill somewhere between the low hundreds to low thousands of individuals in this country each year. If you want to calculate your personal risk of dying from or being hospitalised with Covid then the calculator here: https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FPatientInformation%2FPatientInformation should be of interest. What you need to think about additionally, is the significant risk of being crippled, perhaps permanently by long-covid and the risk of infecting others around you and possibly being responsible for their deaths. The calculator obviously also can't take account of individual genetic differences which affect response to infection. I was being flippant towards a comment made by a member on here mate. Your wasting your time using rational debate on here Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,823 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Ffs anyone who has had their kids have the MMR vaccine with all the potentials, regarding autism etc has taken the risk of unknown long term effects, if you listen to the conspiracy theories It's a vaccine, take it or leave it. Unfortunately it seems it will be added to the list of control, regarding travel, along with Ebola, yellow fever and God knows how many others.. What a travesty. Edited January 8, 2021 by mushroom Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lost Generation said: Really? The Oxford/Astra Zenecca jab has been trialed in the UK, USA, Brazil & South Africa. The Pfizer jab has been trialled in the USA, Germany, Turkey, South Africa & Brazil and the Moderna jab which was approved today has only been trailled in the USA. None of these vaccines has been trialled in Portugal so there can't have been been any deaths on study in Portugal. The remarkable thing about these vaccines is actually how safe they are when you think that even common over the counter drugs like Aspirin kill somewhere between the low hundreds to low thousands of individuals in this country each year. If you want to calculate your personal risk of dying from or being hospitalised with Covid then the calculator here: https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FPatientInformation%2FPatientInformation should be of interest. What you need to think about additionally, is the significant risk of being crippled, perhaps permanently by long-covid and the risk of infecting others around you and possibly being responsible for their deaths. The calculator obviously also can't take account of individual genetic differences which affect response to infection. So why do we need a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8 % recovery rate that 1 in 5 infected don’t even know they have it and why are we being told our hospitals are bursting at the seems when quite clearly they are not, if you don’t want suspicions stop lying about things it’s quite simple and anyone with a brain can see there is more to this than we are being told ??? So please forgive us who wish to approach with a little more caution as it’s still just about a free country and we do have a right to say no thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Generation 93 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: What about the unknown long term risks of any of the above vax ? For those actually getting the vax or their yet unborn future children ? The only likley risks beyond normal injection reactions (sore arm, temperature etc) are immediate an risk of anaphylaxis which is why you are required to wait around for a few minutes after the injection. The main components of the Oxford vaccine (minus the SARS-CoV2 spike protein) have been used for more than a decade in early phase clinical trials for a range of conditions (Malaria, TB, MERS etc etc) with no long-term effects detected. What you need to think about is balancing the pretty well characterised risks of these vaccines against the known and unknown risks of Covid, including long-covid. We have now vaccinated about 1.5 million people with no deaths comapred to 78,000+ Covid deaths & many tens of thousangds of people crippled with long-Covid with none of us knowiing what the long-term sequalae of infection with SARS-CoV2 may be. The mechanism of action of tehse vaccines make long-term effects seem pretty unlikely. The recommendation in pregnancy now is to weigh potential vaccine risks against the risk to the mother and child from Covid. The UKOSS surveillnace system is being updated to follow outcomes of pregnant women who are vaccinated against Covid 1 Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, mushroom said: Ffs anyone who has had their kids have the MMR vaccine with all the potentials, regarding autism etc has taken the risk of unknown long term effects, if you listen to the conspiracy theories It's a vaccine, take it or leave it. Unfortunately it seems it will be added to the list of control, regarding travel, along with Ebola, yellow fever and God knows how many others.. What a travesty. This seems to be the thing people are forgetting mush, it's all the anarchy rebellion side where people will just fight against something for the sake of it. Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,921 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Greyman said: So why do we need a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8 % recovery rate that 1 in 5 infected don’t even know they have it and why are we being told our hospitals are bursting at the seems when quite clearly they are not, if you don’t want suspicions stop lying about things it’s quite simple and anyone with a brain can see there is more to this than we are being told ??? So please forgive us who wish to approach with a little more caution as it’s still just about a free country and we do have a right to say no thanks The thing is anyone can find the information they want, I could find 20 articles showing hospitals with ques and the door and you could find the opposite. We will always find the data that suits our agenda Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 27,972 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, mushroom said: Ffs anyone who has had their kids have the MMR vaccine with all the potentials, regarding autism etc has taken the risk of unknown long term effects, if you listen to the conspiracy theories It's a vaccine, take it or leave it. Unfortunately it seems it will be added to the list of control, regarding travel, along with Ebola, yellow fever and God knows how many others.. 2hat a travesty. That’s the problem we want to leave it but seems we are not allowed Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Generation 93 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Greyman said: So why do we need a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8 % recovery rate that 1 in 5 infected don’t even know they have it and why are we being told our hospitals are bursting at the seems when quite clearly they are not, if you don’t want suspicions stop lying about things it’s quite simple and anyone with a brain can see there is more to this than we are being told ??? So please forgive us who wish to approach with a little more caution as it’s still just about a free country and we do have a right to say no thanks 3 minutes ago, Greyman said: So why do we need a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8 % recovery rate that 1 in 5 infected don’t even know they have it and why are we being told our hospitals are bursting at the seems when quite clearly they are not, if you don’t want suspicions stop lying about things it’s quite simple and anyone with a brain can see there is more to this than we are being told ??? So please forgive us who wish to approach with a little more caution as it’s still just about a free country and we do have a right to say no thanks Risk from Covid is individual, if you follow the link I gave earlier: https://www.qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FPatientInformation%2FPatientInformation you will be able to calculate your own personal risk. I am setting out the science as I know it. Remember also that this is a new infection with unknown sequalae, I have fieinds with long Covid who are pretty much incapacitated by it and we have no idea whether they will recover or not. The reason for the mass vaccination programme is to protect those most at risk, and to sop teh NHS collapsing under the weight of sickness. You may feel invulnerable, but you could be directly responsible for the death of others by spreading the virus. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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