to have the corvid jab or not

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,078]

42 minutes ago, sid g said:

the armys been busy doing some of the  covid testing ,,,

Mostly building the testing  packs but yes true 

[NEWKID 27,184]

1 minute ago, sid g said:

i`m going through a shit time at the min mate i`ve had to chase everything scan results my increase in tablets, blood tests , letters it been a fooking pain acting as go between with the doctors and the hospital  had a telephone consultation with my specialist which consisted of me spending 20 mins getting him up to date with what i`d had done and what tablets i`m on because he had`nt got my records at hand then i get a letter telling me everything i told him its been a joke you get the feeling no one gives a fook waited 3 month for an mri been told it could be another 4 i`m one of them need to know now types 

f**k sake mate, as always here if you need a yap but not much anyone can do..

I honestly know what you mean, we could write a book on some of the shit mate, and this notion its because of Covid is just plain wrong...

My friends wife is a "proper" nurse from school that was always her profession, she's up the chain a bit now, and rightly so she's a credit... but as with any job there is shit and good, from admin, to nurses, doctors and even the top consultants aren't all the same level..thats life...

I just feel its human life, if you've got a top of the range car you'll probably use a top garage to fix it...you ain't got a choice with health care unless you pay, and when you are paying handsomely anyway that dont seem fair..

Give me a shout mate, always a place here for a rest away from it all, you know that...

[NEWKID 27,184]

2 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

But this Covid aint killing folk indirectly to some on here when we no fine well it fooking is

Mate the problem ain't just covid, it really isn't 

[king 11,972]

2 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

But this Covid aint killing folk indirectly to some on here when we no fine well it fooking is

Are you going to tell us all again that services have been cut etc..of course they have.

There's a bloody dangerous virus going around..

[iworkwhippets 12,615]

20 minutes ago, sid g said:

i`m going through a shit time at the min mate i`ve had to chase everything scan results my increase in tablets, blood tests , letters it been a fooking pain acting as go between with the doctors and the hospital  had a telephone consultation with my specialist which consisted of me spending 20 mins getting him up to date with what i`d had done and what tablets i`m on because he had`nt got my records at hand then i get a letter telling me everything i told him its been a joke you get the feeling no one gives a fook waited 3 month for an mri been told it could be another 4 i`m one of them need to know now types 

I had to wait months for my scan Sid, then had to wait a while for the results, but the nhs are struggling at the moment , I was reffered to the Nuffield for mine

                                good luck mate

[South hams hunter 8,923]

3 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

thought you were putting me on ignore mince man ?

You can’t your obsessed

Never said that, just asked a question

[sandymere 8,263]

1 hour ago, Balaur said:

What about people sandy, what about the people of our country taking some responsibility, from BLM protests , to people going to raves or people's dietary habits or lack of exercise etc, all piling out for Christmas shopping , I've mates in Wales ignoring it completely, mixing with other households, half the members on here don't even believe in it, or its a conspiracy. If it wasn't so indiscriminate and affecting the vulnerable in society I love to unlock everything and let people make their own choices but sign a waiver to NHS care . You can blame the government to a certain extent, but they were voted in democratically by the people if anything the left are unbelievably lol politicising covid . Keir seems more concerned about brexit....

Similar things have happened in other countries but their outcomes are better than ours because the majority act as their governments suggest. Alas ours suggested things like eat out to help out.............. 

We've made a mess of it. 

Even the tory press admit Boris is a liability and in a pandemic that has cost thousands of lives. 

Boris Johnson’s mistakes in the pandemic are depressingly familiar

From Brexit to Covid, the UK prime minister has insisted on only seeing what he wants to see

Prime Minister Boris Johnson announces the imposition of another national lockdown © Alberto Pezzali/Pool/Getty

Prime Minister Boris Johnson announces the imposition of another national lockdown © Alberto Pezzali/Pool/Getty

   

November 2, 2020 4:33 pm by Henry Mance

It always seems to be too soon. It was too soon for the UK to lock down in early March, when other European countries had already done so. It was too soon for Boris Johnson to reimpose national restrictions in September, when scientific advisers privately called for them.

 

Now the UK prime minister’s allies tell us it is too soon to judge his government’s performance. They may be right. We don’t know how the pandemic will end — and other countries, including France, Italy, Spain and Scotland, which manages its own health service, have suffered similar peaks and troughs to England. If the UK government has erred, others have too, in different ways.

 

Yet it is not too early to judge the performance of Mr Johnson himself because we have already seen the pattern. His missteps over coronavirus have closely followed those he made over Brexit. In both cases, he insisted on seeing what he wanted to see. He saw a world where the British economy would blossom by shunning its largest trading partner, and where a virus would disappear while he shook hands with its victims. That world did not exist.

 

 

Mr Johnson went beyond patriotism to embrace British exceptionalism. As coronavirus spread in early February, he mocked the idea that it would affect the global economy, insisting that the UK was “ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles”, and act “as the supercharged champion” of free trade.

 

If you are not Superman, taking off your spectacles just leaves you blindly optimistic. With Brexit, Mr Johnson insisted “Global Britain” would defy the laws of trade gravity; with coronavirus, it would build a “world-beating” test-and-trace system. Mr Johnson is not one for details. There was no sense of how these goals could be achieved — and they have not been. His global rhetoric only exposed his parochialism.

 

Futile promises are a hallmark of Mr Johnson’s leadership. During the campaign for Brexit he said the Irish border would be “absolutely unchanged”. Running for the Conservative party leadership he said the UK would leave the EU on October 31 of last year, “do or die”. With Covid-19, his pledges were less cynical, but still beyond his control. He suggested that the UK would turn the tide by June and, in July, said there would be a “significant return to normality” by Christmas. Some people are born to mislead.

 

Mr Johnson has been most at ease attacking the proposals of others, then stealing them. When his predecessor Theresa May came up with a Brexit deal that avoided a hard border on the island of Ireland, he likened it to a “suicide vest”. When Labour leader Keir Starmer proposed a two-week “circuit breaker” lockdown last month, Mr Johnson dismissed it as offering endless “misery”. In both cases, he ended up adopting the bulk of the proposals that he had lambasted.

 

His favoured tactic has been to wait until the last moment before U-turning. Whatever the political merits of this strategy, its real-world effects are likely to be disastrous. As Brexit talks drag on, businesses do not know what trading arrangements with the EU will be in two months. Thousands more Britons are now forecast to die of Covid-19 than would have been the case had lockdown been implemented in September.

 

Mr Johnson has his strengths. This time a year ago, he began an election campaign that made even some Remainers believe Brexit could be swiftly solved. After leaving intensive care in April, he gave an inspiring tribute to the medical team who had treated him for Covid-19. He is an ideal salesman of ideas, which is why his interest in climate change is so welcome.

 

The problem is that he does not stick to an idea. His signature on any topic is incoherence. He is pro-individual liberty and pro-public health. He likes low taxes and a big state. He wants to boost business, while refusing to listen to it. He does not want a culture war, but he doesn’t stop his government from fighting one. He wants to be the hero and expects everyone else to do the work.

 

Democratic accountability is an art, not a science — and not a very sophisticated one. Some leaders are punished for events on their watch for which they bear no blame. Some escape the blame for their misdeeds.

 

Mr Johnson may get lucky with Brexit: while voters now think voting to leave the EU was a bad idea, their minds are elsewhere. But he can have no complaint about being held responsible for the UK’s pandemic failings. He has made the same mistakes at least twice and now looks unlikely to remain in office beyond 2024. Whatever challenge faces him before then, he will probably make the same mistakes again.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/3c776449-b2aa-48be-9e9b-35265a01083e

Unfortunately in a pandemic this costs lives, thousands of them. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by sandymere

[South hams hunter 8,923]

9 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

Well don’t ya Shitehawk

Any need for the insult?

[South hams hunter 8,923]

4 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

You 2 need to get a fcuking grip

I just asked a simple question

[TRUEBRIT66 1,579]

5 hours ago, chartpolski said:

The other option is private healthcare.

I know the NHS isn't perfect, but my family and I have been treated with nothing but care, compassion, and professionalism by the NHS and its staff.

Comparing them with dust bin men, sewer men is ridiculous; I'm not going to die if my bins aren't emptied or my drains blocked.

To portray nurses as lazy drugged up wasters is the complete opposite to the the people I've had far to many dealings with in the recent past.

Cheers.

Actually you wouldnt last long if everyone's waste or sewage system stopped and the consequences would be more severe than covid. I worked in the NHS and left because I couldnt stomach the red tape and in some cases the unprofessional attitude of a large number of the people I worked with, not all, but quite a few.

[chartpolski 23,946]

5 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Actually you wouldnt last long if everyone's waste or sewage system stopped and the consequences would be more severe than covid. I worked in the NHS and left because I couldnt stomach the red tape and in some cases the unprofessional attitude of a large number of the people I worked with, not all, but quite a few.

I could handle my bin not being emptied for a week, or my drain blocked, but if I'm having a stroke, heart attack or haemorrhaging blood, I couldn't wait, so, in my mind at least, I don't think nurses and doctors can be compared to bin men and sewage workers.

Cheers.

[pesky1972 5,307]

Astrazeneca vaccine approved. Can’t help but think this is the best news yet.

[TRUEBRIT66 1,579]

12 hours ago, chartpolski said:

I could handle my bin not being emptied for a week, or my drain blocked, but if I'm having a stroke, heart attack or haemorrhaging blood, I couldn't wait, so, in my mind at least, I don't think nurses and doctors can be compared to bin men and sewage workers.

Cheers.

I didn't compare nurses and doctors to bin men and sewage workers though, I questioned why the need for such adulation for a organisation and its employees who are paid to do a job, they are especially needed in times like these but 76,200 of them go sick on one day but are still treated like messiahs.

Life's experiences mould your opinions and thoughts and mine are the NHS are not the saviours they are being made out to be.     

[tatsblisters 9,926]

So getting back to the topic title who is having the jab or not . I am still undecided but no doubt i will be blackmailed into having it one way or the other . Not heard much from the trade union's about whether it will be a condition of your employment in time to come in certain jobs.

[WILF 47,200]

Heard something pretty chilling on the radio yesterday from one of the top blokes at the WHO.

He said “This virus isn’t the big one, we are waiting for the big one so we better get to grips in learning how to deal with this in preparation for when the big one hits” !!