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[WILF 46,832]

1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

Ive heard that sweeping up analogy used a lot of times and i totally disagree with it,some people are simply not cut out for the certain values you or i might hold dear but it doesnt mean they dont have value.....who am i to say whats important,as an example do you ignore natural talent if a person isnt a grafter ?....they can bring something few others can.

Ive not looked through the whole topic and im not comfortable talking about finances and such things but i do think theres a lack of people willing to speculate to accumulate these days....not willing to invest in people with attributes very different to our own,they take on too much alone and ultimately fail.

Have another look through mate, you will see I said you have to match people people with their character and capabilities.

And it has nothing to do with values I or you or anybody else hold dear, it’s to do with if they will function in the environment you need them to function in.

I know plenty of great people who I have the utmost respect for but that don’t mean they could do what I need them to do.

Edited November 8, 2020 by WILF

[Astanley 11,568]

I like the sweeping the floor analogy ,it is a bit like people watching ,some people do it meticulously ,and are thorough ,some people try shortcuts or innovation to make it easier ,some get really artistic and want to do it with style and some will do a half arsed job some will work fast some will work slow and every other difference you can think of it can tell you about a person's character ,all you have to do is watch .

[WILF 46,832]

21 minutes ago, Astanley said:

I like the sweeping the floor analogy ,it is a bit like people watching ,some people do it meticulously ,and are thorough ,some people try shortcuts or innovation to make it easier ,some get really artistic and want to do it with style and some will do a half arsed job some will work fast some will work slow and every other difference you can think of it can tell you about a person's character ,all you have to do is watch .

Exactly that mate, it’s not a job interview its an indicator of what you are dealing with 

[gnasher16 30,121]

35 minutes ago, WILF said:

Have another look through mate, you will see I said you have to match people people with their character and capabilities.

And it has nothing to do with values I or you or anybody else hold dear, it’s to do with if they will function in the environment you need them to function in.

I know plenty of great people who I have the utmost respect for but that don’t mean they could do what I need them to do.

Its classroom stuff straight out of the " How to Become a Millionaire " book mate......the chapter straight after Rich Dad Poor Dad 

[gnasher16 30,121]

28 minutes ago, Astanley said:

I like the sweeping the floor analogy ,it is a bit like people watching ,some people do it meticulously ,and are thorough ,some people try shortcuts or innovation to make it easier ,some get really artistic and want to do it with style and some will do a half arsed job some will work fast some will work slow and every other difference you can think of it can tell you about a person's character ,all you have to do is watch .

Personally i prefer the person who says " f**k all this sweeping lark im getting the hoover.....its easier and does the same job in half the time " 

I know only too well physicality will get you so far but common sense initiative will get you the rest of the way....but each to their own.

[WILF 46,832]

2 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Its classroom stuff straight out of the " How to Become a Millionaire " book mate......the chapter straight after Rich Dad Poor Dad 

It’s true all the same mate.

I was alright at what I did but that don’t mean I could come and be alright at running one of your gyms or whatever and you would have very quick and simple ways of sussing out if I was going to be any bottle at it or not because you know the job.....simple as that mate

[Astanley 11,568]

The person who goes for the Hoover I the innovater ,the out of the box thinker ,...by saying this is the fella you prefer ,it proves the analogy works .

[WILF 46,832]

8 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Personally i prefer the person who says " f**k all this sweeping lark im getting the hoover.....its easier and does the same job in half the time " 

I know only too well physicality will get you so far but common sense initiative will get you the rest of the way....but each to their own.

That’s often the same bloke who says “I had a great idea and did it like this instead” right before you f**k him off because he didn’t know what he was on with and has just cost you 3 large ! 
 

There was a plan, there was a way that worked built up from decades of knowledge but old matey thought that was bollocks and did his own thing without knowing what the f***ing hell he was doing !

Now you are 3 grand poorer and he is off searching for the next victim with his bright ideas ! Lol  
 

I hear you mate but it’s a very black and white way of looking at things, it don’t always work like that.

[gnasher16 30,121]

31 minutes ago, WILF said:

It’s true all the same mate.

I was alright at what I did but that don’t mean I could come and be alright at running one of your gyms or whatever and you would have very quick and simple ways of sussing out if I was going to be any bottle at it or not because you know the job.....simple as that mate

Right man for the job i get.....but that old sweeping up analogy accounts for a persons inherent traits....i couldnt care less if my man refuses to sweep up if he can do shit i cant do because if push comes to shove i can sweep up.....for me true investment is about taking chances and i dont want to do that with things i dont understand so whether my man can sweep up is pretty irrelevant to what i ultimately get on the back end.

[gnasher16 30,121]

34 minutes ago, WILF said:

That’s often the same bloke who says “I had a great idea and did it like this instead” right before you f**k him off because he didn’t know what he was on with and has just cost you 3 large ! 
 

There was a plan, there was a way that worked built up from decades of knowledge but old matey thought that was bollocks and did his own thing without knowing what the f***ing hell he was doing !

Now you are 3 grand poorer and he is off searching for the next victim with his bright ideas ! Lol  
 

I hear you mate but it’s a very black and white way of looking at things, it don’t always work like that.

Yes believe it or not mate you do have to know what you are looking at.....no you cant just close your eyes and hope for the best.....if i look at the persons make up and dont like what i see being good at sweeping up isnt going to save him ....again,risk....its what investment is all about.

Edited November 8, 2020 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,121]

41 minutes ago, Astanley said:

The person who goes for the Hoover I the innovater ,the out of the box thinker ,...by saying this is the fella you prefer ,it proves the analogy works .

The analogy doesnt work because he has broken the rules of the task set thats my whole point !!

[WILF 46,832]

2 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Yes believe it or not mate you do have to know what you are looking at.....no you cant just close your eyes and hope for the best.....if i look at the persons make up and dont like what i see being good at sweeping up isnt going to save him ....again,its what investment is all about.

Exactly that, I’m not talking about rocket scientists in my personal circumstances mate.

I’m talking about something that is really pretty basic but also requires some degree of attention to detail and pride in the finished article......that’s why the sweeping analogy works for me in my former world
 

Most jobs, businesses or what ever have a way and a formula that works.....people who can’t follow basic instructions or put pride and care into simple things inevitably end up a liability in my humble opinion.
 

If they were going to have some wonderful, innovative idea they would have had it and wouldn’t be carting 200 tons of kit out of some building at 3am for me ! Lol

 

 

[socks 32,253]

Does it make a difference on the brush he uses. Is it a better indicator if you give him a toothbrush and he does a good job .......

[WILF 46,832]

Just now, socks said:

Does it make a difference on the brush he uses. Is it a better indicator if you give him a toothbrush and he does a good job .......

Joking aside, the mental side of things like that fascinate me.

In a completely theoretical scenario I’d rate the bloke who said “Have we got anything better” and then just cracked on with the tools available when he found out we didn’t highly.

The bloke who was defeated before he started is, well, a non starter.

[socks 32,253]

See I like the bloke who does the job well without question with tools he’s been given. BUT when he is asked to do the job again suggest a quicker and better way of achieving the same result.