The witches

[WILF 47,349]

2 minutes ago, sandymere said:

But positive discrimination when used in balance against negative discrimination gives equality. Equality is the end game for me.

Is it discrimination or not ?......and if it is, why is yours better than mine ? 
I perceive mine to be of wider benefit and so do you so what exactly is the logical difference ? 

[sandymere 8,263]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

Wow  

I genuinely never knew that Africans invented and built ships, sailed across the oceans and showed us how to build towns, cities, cathedrals, nation states, showed us how to cultivate land and domesticate animals.......they have missed that whole part out of every bit of history ever, if that’s not institutional racism then I don’t know what is ! 
 

Did you not??

[WILF 47,349]

Just now, sandymere said:

Did you not??

Nope

[sandymere 8,263]

Just now, WILF said:

Is it discrimination or not ?......and if it is, why is yours better than mine ? 
I perceive mine to be of wider benefit and so do you so what exactly is the logical difference ? 

Because I believe in equality.

[WILF 47,349]

Just now, sandymere said:

Because I believe in equality.

And I believe in merit and a duty of care to your own 

So go on, what’s the difference ?
 

[sandymere 8,263]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

Nope

shame, history is interesting, as a child I was fascinated to find out that Timbuktu was a real place and one of the greatest centres of learning in its day, so famous that it remained as a colloquial term in this country in the 60's which was thousands of years after its fall. in the UK we are given a version of history as decided by a ruling class, at least when I was at school, where we ruled the world with a fatherly hand and England was the land of milk and honey, when in reality the opposite was true.

[sandymere 8,263]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

And I believe in merit and a duty of care to your own 

So go on, what’s the difference ?
 

I'm a human being so humans are my own, i don't discriminate on colour or ethnicity, i judge people on their character not their race.

[WILF 47,349]

1 minute ago, sandymere said:

shame, history is interesting, as a child I was fascinated to find out that Timbuktu was a real place and one of the greatest centres of learning in its day, so famous that it remained as a colloquial term in this country in the 60's which was thousands of years after its fall. in the UK we are given a version of history as decided by a ruling class, at least when I was at school, where we ruled the world with a fatherly hand and England was the land of milk and honey, when in reality the opposite was true.

So if for instance you read “A brief History of the Anglo Saxons” that would be a completely made up book, purposefully misrepresenting events for racists reasons would it ? 
Every historian ever has colluded in this fallacy have they ? 
amazing ! 

[WILF 47,349]

Just now, sandymere said:

I'm a human being so humans are my own, i don't discriminate on colour or ethnicity, i judge people on their character not their race.

But you do, you have just spent 2 pages saying you do.

[Born Hunter 17,784]

31 minutes ago, sandymere said:

But positive discrimination when used in balance against negative discrimination gives equality. Equality is the end game for me.

But you can’t achieve equality with discrimination. You can only achieve equity.

If all things being equal a black person is positively discriminated towards then you are ironically moving further away from equality. Equality is the absence of discrimination of any form. By definition. This is the fallacy that seems endemic amongst liberal ideology.

[WILF 47,349]

7 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

But you can’t achieve equality with discrimination. You can only achieve equity.

If all things being equal a black person is positively discriminated towards then you are ironically moving further away from equality. Equality is the absence of discrimination of any form. By definition. This is the fallacy that seems endemic amongst liberal ideology.

I think he has nipped off to phone Doreen Lawrence and ask her what utter nonsense to come out with next ! 

[Born Hunter 17,784]

15 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think he has nipped off to phone Doreen Lawrence and ask her what utter nonsense to come out with next ! 

Lol, it’s not even like equitable solutions are wrong, it’s just wrong to conflate equality with equity.

For instance, women are naturally disadvantaged in life due to their natural role as child barers. In a perfectly equal society they would be disadvantaged and so might choose to avoid pregnancy entirely. So is equality right in this instance or should we give them a level of ‘positive discrimination’ or help if you will to make for a fairer society?

Equity has its place but we have to be careful not to mix it up with equality and not to assume equity is always the result of equality.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Born Hunter

[WILF 47,349]

2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Lol, it’s not even like equitable solutions are wrong, it’s just wrong to conflate equality with equity.

For instance, women are naturally disadvantaged in life due to their natural role as child barers. In a perfectly equal society they would be disadvantaged and so might choose to avoid pregnancy entirely. So is equality right in this instance or should we give them a level of ‘positive discrimination’ or help if you will to make for a fairer society?

Equity has its place but we have to be careful not to mix it up with equality and not to assume equity always comes with equality.

You can provide equality of opportunity but you can’t provide equality of outcome.......
If you try and engineer equality of outcome then inevitably someone is going to be discriminated against on some grounds or the other

It Sandys case he advocates discriminating along racial lines in City’s that are predominantly that race......merit didn’t get a mention   

[gnasher16 30,241]

17 hours ago, sandymere said:

Sorry chap , i don't understand what your saying "scare word" ??? what does that mean?

Yes you do.....its learned leftist behaviour.

[gnasher16 30,241]

16 hours ago, WILF said:

So if for instance you read “A brief History of the Anglo Saxons” that would be a completely made up book, purposefully misrepresenting events for racists reasons would it ? 
Every historian ever has colluded in this fallacy have they ? 
amazing ! 

 Isnt this the same geezer getting stuck into Greyman on the Big Cat topic about secret police,road workers,hedge cutters in collusion over big cat corpses  .......when it suits eh !!!