Auto shotgun Spent cartridge deflector

[Meece 1,958]

Has anyone ever had / seen a deflector to stop cases being thrown all over the place out of an auto.  A friend has a 28 Auto.  He loves the gun but is haked off about the cases being thrown all around and having to hunt for them. With factory loads in the region of £270 to £300 it does pay to reload.   I've done a net search and seen a few variants with rails to catch a couple of cases like two shot clays but not really for pigeon shooting or any situation where a fair few are being shot. I've read about elastic bands but how that works with a reciprocating bolt handle I'm not sure. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Meece

[Sausagedog 7,381]

Can't help sorry but that's exactly  why I go off autos very quickly. And why I prefer pumps but getting a good pump is getting terrible. 

[philpot 5,032]

A couple of years ago, well nearer 5 or 6 years when I think of it BUT I did have some discussions with a chao from the US who had used Mk1 ,2 ,3 etc of the cartridge catcher.  The system flicks the cartridge into a frame from which you remove the spent shells and do whatever with them

Now the story went that the company  (sorry I cannot remember the name of the company ) kept producing updates which work to a point but not all the time so the chap told me that he devised his own deflector.  I tested his idea and it certainly helps to send the ejected shells down near my feet. I made, as he suggested, a piece of aluminium sheet about 5'' x 3'' to which i made a bend along the length. The flat plate was stuck with industrial double sided tape on top of the receiver flush to the left side of the top rib and centered over the ejection port.  The amount of bend is something that you have to play with because different autos eject cartridges at different angle of exit. Don't assume the ejected carts exit at 90 degrees to the side the the gun, in fact they eject slightly upwards which is how this plate was able to deflect them. The cartridge ejects hitting the plate and bounces straight down to the ground.

I did the test on a Hatsan Escort 12ga but in all honesty I didn't continue with the tests other than to prove what this chap told me actually worked. I would have looked into making a more refined version but I sold the gun.

I have just bought an 0/u 28ga and as you say the cost of carts is high, I am paying £8 per box and saving all the cases, Eley VIP, which are crimp closure, with a view to investing in a reloader if my pal decides to buy a 28ga as well then we can split costs.  I hoped Lee Loadall made a 28ga version but they don't and the cost of the Mec is not cheap so the jury is out at present.

Hope that is of some help.

Phil

[Sausagedog 7,381]

4 hours ago, philpot said:

A couple of years ago, well nearer 5 or 6 years when I think of it BUT I did have some discussions with a chao from the US who had used Mk1 ,2 ,3 etc of the cartridge catcher.  The system flicks the cartridge into a frame from which you remove the spent shells and do whatever with them

Now the story went that the company  (sorry I cannot remember the name of the company ) kept producing updates which work to a point but not all the time so the chap told me that he devised his own deflector.  I tested his idea and it certainly helps to send the ejected shells down near my feet. I made, as he suggested, a piece of aluminium sheet about 5'' x 3'' to which i made a bend along the length. The flat plate was stuck with industrial double sided tape on top of the receiver flush to the left side of the top rib and centered over the ejection port.  The amount of bend is something that you have to play with because different autos eject cartridges at different angle of exit. Don't assume the ejected carts exit at 90 degrees to the side the the gun, in fact they eject slightly upwards which is how this plate was able to deflect them. The cartridge ejects hitting the plate and bounces straight down to the ground.

I did the test on a Hatsan Escort 12ga but in all honesty I didn't continue with the tests other than to prove what this chap told me actually worked. I would have looked into making a more refined version but I sold the gun.

I have just bought an 0/u 28ga and as you say the cost of carts is high, I am paying £8 per box and saving all the cases, Eley VIP, which are crimp closure, with a view to investing in a reloader if my pal decides to buy a 28ga as well then we can split costs.  I hoped Lee Loadall made a 28ga version but they don't and the cost of the Mec is not cheap so the jury is out at present.

Hope that is of some help.

Phil

I have seen such devices. They end up being just where you like to carry the gun and make it a fiddle  working the gun!

A better solution would be for manufacturers to make the extractor  and port lower in the receiver and the ejector higher one the opposite side.

[Meece 1,958]

7 hours ago, philpot said:

I have just bought an 0/u 28ga and as you say the cost of carts is high, I am paying £8 per box and saving all the cases, Eley VIP, which are crimp closure, with a view to investing in a reloader if my pal decides to buy a 28ga as well then we can split costs.  I hoped Lee Loadall made a 28ga version but they don't and the cost of the Mec is not cheap so the jury is out at present.

By fluke when I  bought my AyA #2 ra I was told about a mec sizemaster that was for sale in a national shooting mag. Immediately action was required ànd I was on the phone and went straight there and bought the whole kit. Powder, wads,, cases and a fair amount of reloaded rounds. The bloke was retired out of the oil industry and had a shed that he used for reloading several calibres.  His health was beginning to fail and he was cutting back on shooting.  The car was loaded up with the stuff.  There were plastic bags of new and used cases, wads like pillow cases. There was even a spinner device to tighten the crimp.   Sales like that only come along infrequently and that's why I  acted fast.  The reloads from his recipe work well on clays and game. The worst bit about reloading is when there is a cock up and shot gets loose all over the place and in the collets which entails stripping them out. Reloading is a hobby in itself and takes care and attention  to detail.  Reloading shotshell is a lot more difficult than centrefire rifle.

3 hours ago, Sausagedog said:

I have seen such devices. They end up being just where you like to carry the gun and make it a fiddle  working the gun!

A better solution would be for manufacturers to make the extractor  and port lower in the receiver and the ejector higher one the opposite side.

the thing being is, that it aint my gun and I can't and wouldn't make any mods to it. Christ only knows why they are made like this. Aĺ the ejector has to do is clear the chamber area.  There is no necessity to launch the  cases into the next county.

[Rabid 1,936]

2 hours ago, Meece said:

By fluke when I  bought my AyA #2 ra I was told about a mec sizemaster that was for sale in a national shooting mag. Immediately action was required ànd I was on the phone and went straight there and bought the whole kit. Powder, wads,, cases and a fair amount of reloaded rounds. The bloke was retired out of the oil industry and had a shed that he used for reloading several calibres.  His health was beginning to fail and he was cutting back on shooting.  The car was loaded up with the stuff.  There were plastic bags of new and used cases, wads like pillow cases. There was even a spinner device to tighten the crimp.   Sales like that only come along infrequently and that's why I  acted fast.  The reloads from his recipe work well on clays and game. The worst bit about reloading is when there is a cock up and shot gets loose all over the place and in the collets which entails stripping them out. Reloading is a hobby in itself and takes care and attention  to detail.  Reloading shotshell is a lot more difficult than centrefire rifle.

the thing being is, that it aint my gun and I can't and wouldn't make any mods to it. Christ only knows why they are made like this. Aĺ the ejector has to do is clear the chamber area.  There is no necessity to launch the  cases into the next county.

There is no necessity to launch the  cases into the next county.

 

Look at it as a fourth shot if he misses with the first 3

 

I have a little kofs 410 And that will send the spent carts 10 yards behind me, real annoying looking for them whilst out in the rough.

[Sausagedog 7,381]

49 minutes ago, Rabid said:

There is no necessity to launch the  cases into the next county.

 

Look at it as a fourth shot if he misses with the first 3

 

I have a little kofs 410 And that will send the spent carts 10 yards behind me, real annoying looking for them whilst out in the rough.

I am not surprised by this. While many see 410 as a pip squeak and a 12g as a mans shotgun the 410 actually  operates at much higher  pressure. When the action is unlocked it's the residual pressure  that cycles the action. In a 410 that will be greater than a 12g.

[Meece 1,958]

17 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

I am not surprised by this. While many see 410 as a pip squeak and a 12g as a mans shotgun the 410 actually  operates at much higher  pressure. When the action is unlocked it's the residual pressure  that cycles the action. In a 410 that will be greater than a 12g.

A #6 pellet fired from a 410 has the same energy mass and velocity as one fired out of a 12 bore if the velocity is the same. Only got to put the lead on target.  a bit frustrating to be outshot at range by by a 410.!  Some people loòk on the  28 as a boy/woman's gun until they get outshot by a good shot that can put the lead on target. The 28 seems to shoot well above its weight.

[si brown 8,486]

1 hour ago, Rabid said:

There is no necessity to launch the  cases into the next county.

 

Look at it as a fourth shot if he misses with the first 3

 

I have a little kofs 410 And that will send the spent carts 10 yards behind me, real annoying looking for them whilst out in the rough.

bought my lad a yildiz 410 non ejector and I think its the best bang for buck ive spent on guns, quality little shotgun at a sensible price!

I sling clays for him a couple of times a week and love the fact he just pulls them out and slings them in a box, no fannying about unlike when I use me m2 and raking about in ditches when goose shooting aint tennis:(

if I ever buy another sxs or o/u its gonna be a non ejector

[philpot 5,032]

I have to say that I have a love affair with my little 28ga, fun and yet very effective when I am on target.  It smokes the clays as well, I have missed out on the fun aspect that this little fella gives me.

Phil

[Meece 1,958]

I did buy a second 28 at an auction. It wasn't the gun that I was interested in, it was all the stuff in the lot, which comprised of two pairs of electronic ear defenders, several pairs of shooting glasses, about five hundred new factory Eleys in 28 and other bits and pieces.   The gun was an O/U Invest arm non ejector.!!  It is as basic as a fence post with barrels so thick that I'm sure that they could be used as an African hunting rifle.!! I would think that they would still be usable if several million cartridges had been put through them. For all its fence post characteristics it shoots quite well with virtually no recoil. At this auction the next lot was a Midland 12 bore with cartridges. It wouldnt surprise me if a couple had started on clays and decided that it wasn't for them and packed it all in.! I suppose that if you had a need for a simple truck gun and had never experienced anything better then the investarm might just  do. It would take brenekes ok.

[BenBhoy 4,706]

On 10/10/2020 at 21:33, Sausagedog said:

Can't help sorry but that's exactly  why I go off autos very quickly. And why I prefer pumps but getting a good pump is getting terrible. 

Win SXP mate?

[Rabid 1,936]

4 minutes ago, BenBhoy said:

Win SXP mate?

I’ve got one and don’t like it.

[BenBhoy 4,706]

1 hour ago, Rabid said:

I’ve got one and don’t like it.

Whats up with it mate? 

[Rabid 1,936]

19 hours ago, BenBhoy said:

Whats up with it mate? 

Personal thing, it just doesn’t feel right,  mechanically is fine.