9/11

[Accip74 7,112]

13 hours ago, WILF said:

Not all for the worse, it was the end of the road for the IRA.......they died as a paramilitary organisation that day.

However, our own politicians have used the event to make our lives worse and spent billions appeasing the Muslims.

 

Well it was either that or staying home & sleeping with a bat eared nonce protector!
 

Edited to say wrong quote.....ill get my coat!

Edited September 12, 2020 by Accip74

[WILF 46,783]

I remember the attacks on New York very well, I was out grafting and my Mrs phoned me and said “The US is under attack” .......I remember the words clear as day.

She said just come home so I did, they closed down London, evacuated Canary Wharf and places like Lakeside shopping centre.

Sat and watched events unfold on the telly as we all did, I have never seen anything like that.

Watching people who had just gone to work that day hurling themselves in desperation from that building knowing they had no chance to survive.....it was heart breaking.

Of course later on we had the mass slaughter in London on 7/7 but Londoners were more used to getting slaughtered if that makes some kind of warped sense so it didn’t seem to be such a world event.

Subsequent mass killings are now barely worth a mention and quickly forgotten.....Houses if Parliament, London Bridge, Manchester Arena.

There’s lots more I could say but there’s just no point.......but remember......every time you see a Muslim picture those people Jumping from that building above that inferno.

Picture those firefighters who went in to save people never to come out again.

10,000 souls......in a matter of hours 

I’ll stop there.........

 

[NEWKID 27,143]

13 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

Ground zero, well NYC generally, is a worthwhile place to visit. Try to get a feel for the magnitude of that event.

I look forward to going again. It’s an iconic city in global culture and unfortunately 9/11 significantly contributed to that.

I went not long after the attack and it was still.a huge building site, a complete mess with just that 1 little church sat on the side of it...god knows how it survived!

Went back a few years ago and went to the ground zero museums that is under ground and you can see the original foundations etc, it is an amazing place, loads of parts of the original structures, fire engines that were buried in rubble, the last piece of steel that was draped in the stars and stripes banner and piped out of the site and all the time you walk.around it there is footage or recorded voice messages of the day... it is very eeiry and moving to be honest.. 

We then went up the new trade centre, what a feat of engineering that is! 

Great place to visit in my opinion.

[WILF 46,783]

7 hours ago, Rickshaw swami said:

Rest in peace to all victims and firefighters.I was washing my old pickup truck when it came on the radio in the garage.

I wouldn't go to New York City unless we have another civil war.No disrespect to the victims 

f**k Allah I wipe my pigs ass with the Koran. Remember 9/11 

Proud blue eyed infidel right here. 

I wished my teenage daughters could remember as it's just another day to them.

I think most British blokes felt some kind of solidarity with our American brothers that day mate as I think we always have in our own bizarre way (even though you are ungrateful colonials ! Haha) 

However, New York did have mixed feelings, especially for people from major British cities, because you have to understand we had been subjected to this kind of terror for years and seen our young soldiers come home in coffins directly because of money supplied by New York........NORAID was responsible for thousands of deaths on British soil so there was a little bit of “this is what it feels like......not very nice is it” going on.

So in one way, the Muslims saved thousands of British lives that day because the terror funding for the IRA from America had to stop.......and it did stop.

The shame of it all is, in the aftermath, we had the best military personnel and equipment in the world and “won” the wars (I think ?) but we have lost the peace, big time !

[NEWKID 27,143]

That day is etched into everyone's minds for good, if you watched the footage, listened on the radio etc you'll never forget it...it is by far (in my opinion) the biggest single event in our lifetime (post ww2).

We were out for a meal one night in NY and sat next to a couple from Brooklyn, got yapping and ended up having a few beers with them...he worked in the city and told us about the day...he said he remembers the smell and strangely the paper..he said there was millions of bits of paper floating around the city falling like confetti... a very nice fella, and proud of his city.

I hate all the conspiracy theories, it feels to me disrespectful to the people who died, visiting that museum compounded that for me.

[Greb147 6,809]

I still can't get my head around how they could actually crash a plane in to the Pentagon of all places. 

[WILF 46,783]

3 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

I still can't get my head around how they could actually crash a plane in to the Pentagon of all places. 

Yeah, considering most pakis can’t drive a Nissan micra to save their f***ing lives ! 

[Greb147 6,809]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

Yeah, considering most pakis can’t drive a Nissan micra to save their f***ing lives ! 

And especially since you would expect it to have been one of the most securest places on earth with some of the best anti-ballistic defences on the planet, this was the 2000's ffs not the 1800's.

[chartpolski 23,471]

11 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

And especially since you would expect it to have been one of the most securest places on earth with some of the best anti-ballistic defences on the planet, this was the 2000's ffs not the 1800's.

It will have the best defences available, problem is human ; who has the authority and will to initiate them ?

The number of aircraft in the sky at any one time is unbelievable, they are literally "stacked" above places like New York and Washington, waiting to be given a landing slot.

They can be seen on radar but are identified by their transponder, the hijackers had disabled the transponders. 

These were normal commercial flights, so someone had to decide if the transponder had been disabled or had malfunctioned.

Who was going to make the decision to bring down a plane full of people if it turned out to be simply equipment failure ?

By the time any decision was made, it was to late !

Cheers.

[TOMO 26,115]

me and the mrs were living in Ibiza at the time ...shared an apartement with my ozzy mate...he came in and woke us up ...we went downstairs to the bar we lived above and watched it on the telly....very shocking event ...its funny the things that you remember....I always remember one of the firefighters names....from after the actual event and from watching the documenterys about it....Orio Palmer.....got to the 78 floor....can you believe that the 78th floor....imagin being that brave...and fit ..going up in to that ....

and last summer...2019 ...the 200th firefighter to die from from illnesses caused by  9.11 .....

[Greb147 6,809]

34 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

It will have the best defences available, problem is human ; who has the authority and will to initiate them ?

The number of aircraft in the sky at any one time is unbelievable, they are literally "stacked" above places like New York and Washington, waiting to be given a landing slot.

They can be seen on radar but are identified by their transponder, the hijackers had disabled the transponders. 

These were normal commercial flights, so someone had to decide if the transponder had been disabled or had malfunctioned.

Who was going to make the decision to bring down a plane full of people if it turned out to be simply equipment failure ?

By the time any decision was made, it was to late !

Cheers.

Good reply but you have to look at the circumstances of the time. 

There had just been two catastrophic attacks on the World Trade center, seeing anything out of the ordinary would have set off the alarm bells ringing immediately. 

Speaking of the planes transponder, I should imagine they would have had the info of the plane had the transponder failed, they would have seen that the plane wasn't on it's flight path which again would have been a massive red flag IMO. 

You would think that a place as highly decorated as the Pentagon would have been impregnable to an attack by a 300mph passenger plane. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Greb147

[dogmandont 9,814]

2 hours ago, Greyman said:

I just thought oh well, the Americans have spent years funding terrorism on others doorstep, destabilising nations to suit there own ends have rode rough shot over everyone they wanted, safe in the knowledge they were to far away for any retaliation, well guess what if you play with fire you get your arse tickled, sadly as in all conflicts it’s the innocents that pay the ultimate price,

Just like the British then Greyman. 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

1 hour ago, NEWKID said:

I went not long after the attack and it was still.a huge building site, a complete mess with just that 1 little church sat on the side of it...god knows how it survived!

Went back a few years ago and went to the ground zero museums that is under ground and you can see the original foundations etc, it is an amazing place, loads of parts of the original structures, fire engines that were buried in rubble, the last piece of steel that was draped in the stars and stripes banner and piped out of the site and all the time you walk.around it there is footage or recorded voice messages of the day... it is very eeiry and moving to be honest.. 

We then went up the new trade centre, what a feat of engineering that is! 

Great place to visit in my opinion.

Yep, museum and memorial are both good. I didn't go up the new trade centre building but stood at the foot of it to feel the scale of it all. I hate cities really but NYC is a bit special. I think Accip put it perfectly, it has an 'energy'.

London is similar, but different.

[YOKEL 2,232]

I was on a job just down the road from me. we was all packing up early to go home, none of us had heard anything when the plumber comes down and made some jokey comment about planes falling out the sky. (he'd just caught something on the radio) got home and put the news on and watched it all unfolding. f**k me, i recon i sat in absolute silence for a good couple of hours watching that, unbelievable, shocking stuff....

Yokel

[Born Hunter 17,763]

1 hour ago, Greb147 said:

And especially since you would expect it to have been one of the most securest places on earth with some of the best anti-ballistic defences on the planet, this was the 2000's ffs not the 1800's.

Truth is, it was no better protected against an air threat than anywhere else in the US. Every threat from the air would be defended against by air force or national guard fighters. I doubt even the bases had/have operational point defence systems. The threat was just not considered credible by the people in the positions to make those decisions! Yeah intelligence agencies knew stuff but pre 911 that network was very compartmentalized.

The Pentagon would have had very considerable defences against espionage and ground forces... But an air attack.... nah. Today still probably nah. In fact, I'm sure they're talking about breaking it up to make their defence infrastructure less vulnerable.