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[SheepChaser 8,089]

Why would you want to put a greyhound into a line of Lurchers these days? Yes they are fast. But unless you’re breeding first x or you’re Lurchers are scatter bred, it’s a massive backwards step.

Yer Lurcher breeding isn’t rocket science - just breed typey / line bred, best to best and don’t lie to yourself and others about how good or bad the dog/s are.

On a side note - most Lurchers, probably most working dogs, just don’t see the graft, and a lot of folk think an average dog is a good one, and that’s a fact! 

[two crows 3,342]

with what I have kept, you can go like to like for 3 or 4 gens then back to saluki then carry on like to like the fact that the out cross pups are like three quarter saluki don't make any difference imho. when I had first crosses I went greyhound to make three quarter that was a mistake, the same bitch to saluki threw top class, I  also went first x first x they were ok to, with regards lurchers if they bred for a gen or two and are what is required go to something alike, the probs start from to many ingredients in the mix to start with imho. so beddy grey x beddy grey should be fine, just out of interest in the present climate where coursing is, I might put a beddy lurcher to my bitch and go back to were I started.

[two crows 3,342]

7 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Why would you want to put a greyhound into a line of Lurchers these days? Yes they are fast. But unless you’re breeding first x or you’re Lurchers are scatter bred, it’s a massive backwards step.

Yer Lurcher breeding isn’t rocket science - just breed typey / line bred, best to best and don’t lie to yourself and others about how good or bad the dog/s are.

On a side note - most Lurchers, probably most working dogs, just don’t see the graft, and a lot of folk think an average dog is a good one, and that’s a fact! 

I have said that for years most never see the real deal.

[bird 9,916]

11 minutes ago, two crows said:

I have said that for years most never see the real deal.

true , but alot of lads have got jobs where they only prob can get out couple times a week , not every body can spend 24/7 with a lurcher, when i worked at my local brewery , starting 7am every day,  getting up 6am  till  4 pm, still lamped couple nights a week , but it killed you rolling in 4am from lamping  , then up for work , younger back then ok, but still fooked you up deff.

[Gypsydog94 4,593]

26 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

Why would you want to put a greyhound into a line of Lurchers these days? Yes they are fast. But unless you’re breeding first x or you’re Lurchers are scatter bred, it’s a massive backwards step.

Yer Lurcher breeding isn’t rocket science - just breed typey / line bred, best to best and don’t lie to yourself and others about how good or bad the dog/s are.

On a side note - most Lurchers, probably most working dogs, just don’t see the graft, and a lot of folk think an average dog is a good one, and that’s a fact! 

Exactly people with perfect gun dogs on the one day a week they do. Try 6 days and see if they handle that all season! About the only dog that gets grafted hard I know of would be a hill farm collie out everyday what ever the weather! 

[Shortstraw 476]

Simple....I’ll never be able to afford dogs at this price.....and if I could I wouldn’t be funding the 99% of people that put bitches through a pregnancy for their own monetary gains.

I hope in the future someone on here would provide me with a pup at a working mans price. 

 

[poxon 5,741]

1 hour ago, two crows said:

with what I have kept, you can go like to like for 3 or 4 gens then back to saluki then carry on like to like the fact that the out cross pups are like three quarter saluki don't make any difference imho. when I had first crosses I went greyhound to make three quarter that was a mistake, the same bitch to saluki threw top class, I  also went first x first x they were ok to, with regards lurchers if they bred for a gen or two and are what is required go to something alike, the probs start from to many ingredients in the mix to start with imho. so beddy grey x beddy grey should be fine, just out of interest in the present climate where coursing is, I might put a beddy lurcher to my bitch and go back to were I started.

Makes sense two crows

[two crows 3,342]

51 minutes ago, bird said:

true , but alot of lads have got jobs where they only prob can get out couple times a week , not every body can spend 24/7 with a lurcher, when i worked at my local brewery , starting 7am every day,  getting up 6am  till  4 pm, still lamped couple nights a week , but it killed you rolling in 4am from lamping  , then up for work , younger back then ok, but still fooked you up deff.

same here mate, are you sure it was just lack of sleep mate lol

[Shadow100 1,066]

1 hour ago, SheepChaser said:

Why would you want to put a greyhound into a line of Lurchers these days? Yes they are fast. But unless you’re breeding first x or you’re Lurchers are scatter bred, it’s a massive backwards step.

Yer Lurcher breeding isn’t rocket science - just breed typey / line bred, best to best and don’t lie to yourself and others about how good or bad the dog/s are.

On a side note - most Lurchers, probably most working dogs, just don’t see the graft, and a lot of folk think an average dog is a good one, and that’s a fact! 

To be fair thought how many lines keep producing generation after generation, you’ll get a man starting with a good dog, and it’ll produce very average, but he’ll breed off that one anyway because it’s out of his good old dog, and so on. Then eventually he gets something else worth talking about maybe 4 generations down and they shout the lines producing, is it really though or is it just luck that they’ve got 1 decent dog out of the last 4 litters they’ve bred.

Fair enough they’ll throw to type, colour, stamp etc after a while but if you’re testing them hard you’ll get wastage same as you would doing best to best from scatter bred stuff.

For me if I see a good dog and I fancy using it on a bitch, id ask how it was bred, but it really wouldn’t be a big concern, if I liked how the dog ran, it was durable and most importantly been tested proper then I’d use it whether it looked good on paper or not. Easy to get caught up in lines and names IMO that’s when things go downhill cause people think they don’t need to test anymore it’s a sure thing with this breeding.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Shadow100

[Loton Moocher 1,254]

1 hour ago, SheepChaser said:

Why would you want to put a greyhound into a line of Lurchers these days? Yes they are fast. But unless you’re breeding first x or you’re Lurchers are scatter bred, it’s a massive backwards step.

Yer Lurcher breeding isn’t rocket science - just breed typey / line bred, best to best and don’t lie to yourself and others about how good or bad the dog/s are.

On a side note - most Lurchers, probably most working dogs, just don’t see the graft, and a lot of folk think an average dog is a good one, and that’s a fact! 

Wat happens to all the litter wasteage from all the lurcher to lurcher mateings ? Because theres that many that crosses in some they can throw all sorts of stuff isnt that a fact ? 

[two crows 3,342]

7 minutes ago, Shadow100 said:

To be fair thought how many lines keep producing generation after generation, you’ll get a man starting with a good dog, and it’ll produce very average, but he’ll breed off that one anyway because it’s out of his good old dog, and so on. Then eventually he gets something else worth talking about maybe 4 generations down and they shout the lines producing, is it really though or is it just luck that they’ve got 1 decent dog out of the last 4 litters they’ve bred.

Fair enough they’ll throw to type, colour, stamp etc after a while but if you’re testing them hard you’ll get wastage same as you would doing best to best from scatter bred stuff.

For me if I see a good dog and I fancy using it on a bitch, id ask how it was bred, but it really wouldn’t be a big concern, if I liked how the dog ran, it was durable and most importantly been tested proper then I’d use it whether it looked good on paper or not. Easy to get caught up in lines and names IMO that’s when things go downhill cause people think they don’t need to test anymore it’s a sure thing with this breeding.

If you want a dog to take stick 2/3 times a week only way is to breed your own between yourself and a few mates because not many people are doing all that.

fare comment but if someone don't have a go there would be nothing for those who don't breed to run, to many experts that do f kall to improve or add to a line about if you ask me, and its better to create a line, than blunder about, the best livestock of any kind is line bred.

[Loton Moocher 1,254]

6 minutes ago, two crows said:

fare comment but if someone don't have a go there would be nothing for those who don't breed to run, to many experts that do f kall to improve or add to a line about if you ask me, and its better to create a line, than blunder about, the best livestock of any kind is line bred.

Ha ha if i started to line breed id be well over 100 [BANNED TEXT] it starts to bear fruit ?  

[poxon 5,741]

1 minute ago, Loton Moocher said:

Wat happens to all the litter wasteage from all the lurcher to lurcher mateings ? Because theres that many that crosses in some they can throw all sorts of stuff isnt that a fact ? 

There’s litter wastage in every lurcher breeding be it first x breeding or bitza breeding there will always be litter wastage they don’t all shine in every litter an don’t all make good serviceable working dogs it’s only on if a mating gells an you could get a couple that shine some average an some dirt 

[two crows 3,342]

1 hour ago, Gypsydog94 said:

Exactly people with perfect gun dogs on the one day a week they do. Try 6 days and see if they handle that all season! About the only dog that gets grafted hard I know of would be a hill farm collie out everyday what ever the weather! 

my cockers are out 3\4 days a week and never stop, they are not posers they workers, and get tested hard all season.

[Black neck 15,989]

3 minutes ago, two crows said:

my cockers are out 3\4 days a week and never stop, they are not posers they workers, and get tested hard all season.

Are the beating aswell as picking up like