God help use in Devon and Cornwall

[Arry 22,899]

4 hours ago, timmytree said:

No? So why are all your campsites, b&bs and hotels begging people to come down? Why were 2000 rental owners warned for breaking the law during lockdown? If you don't want visitors why are all your pubs offering beer and your cafes offering food? Devon and Cornwall will die without tourism because you've got nothing else. Tourist money keeps you going for the rest of the the year and supplies most of the employment. Easy for some to say they don't want tourists isn't it?

Well maybe you should start generating real income instead of relying on ripping off tourists. Let's be honest, most people come to Devon or Cornwall because they can't afford a decent holiday. Cheap accomodation, crappy beer and lousy food supplied by miserable people who generally aren't local anyway.

I have Cornish family, from Penzance, those who haven't left are the ones that died there, I wouldn't go back unless it was the last place I could have a shit. Simply because of the attitude from so called locals the last time I was there. I had more family history there and they treat me like a foreigner? I live in Somerset now, I treat everyone equally, local or holidaymaker but in Cornwall and parts of Devon visitors are scum. They only want tourist money.

Personally I wish every tourist would avoid Devon and Cornwall and leave both counties realising that they need tourists more than tourists need Devon and Cornwall.

Well I have to disagree mate. I don't mind people coming down here at all as long as the behave and don't ruin what we have. ie litter BBQ's etc you know what I mean. Most of the holiday areas are run down now Paignton and Torquay around me as more and more people went abroad for holidays. It's second homes that have buggered it up down here some villages nearly empty in the winter.

When I say God help us down in Devon and Cornwall I was referring to Covid-19 as we on the whole have behaved down here the numbers are really low almost none now. Trouble is because haven't had it bad we are vulnerable and people are understandably worried when they see such large numbers coming down. It makes people angry when we have behaved and people been sneaking down in camper vans all through this parking in NT car parks, these people have upset locals. Which in turn makes them less welcoming to real holiday folk that follow.

As for Beer up on Dartmoor at Princetown next to the Prison they brew some great beer "Jail Ale", "Legend" "Dartmoor Best" and "Dartmoor IPA" all great pints, if you  like real ale that is. But would agree with you if you are talking about Saint Austell brewery "Doombar" etc I really don't like them. It's not a Devon and Cornwall thing I just don't like their beer.

If any you lads are coming to Devon and want any pointers as where to go etc PM me.

Cheers Arry

[Arry 22,899]

Cheers Arry

[WILF 48,096]

7 hours ago, timmytree said:

No? So why are all your campsites, b&bs and hotels begging people to come down? Why were 2000 rental owners warned for breaking the law during lockdown? If you don't want visitors why are all your pubs offering beer and your cafes offering food? Devon and Cornwall will die without tourism because you've got nothing else. Tourist money keeps you going for the rest of the the year and supplies most of the employment. Easy for some to say they don't want tourists isn't it?

Well maybe you should start generating real income instead of relying on ripping off tourists. Let's be honest, most people come to Devon or Cornwall because they can't afford a decent holiday. Cheap accomodation, crappy beer and lousy food supplied by miserable people who generally aren't local anyway.

I have Cornish family, from Penzance, those who haven't left are the ones that died there, I wouldn't go back unless it was the last place I could have a shit. Simply because of the attitude from so called locals the last time I was there. I had more family history there and they treat me like a foreigner? I live in Somerset now, I treat everyone equally, local or holidaymaker but in Cornwall and parts of Devon visitors are scum. They only want tourist money.

Personally I wish every tourist would avoid Devon and Cornwall and leave both counties realising that they need tourists more than tourists need Devon and Cornwall.

You hit on a subject that I have had an opinion on for a lot of years there mate.

I take your point but In my very humble opinion, I don’t blame them at all and here’s why.

First of all, they shouldn’t have to rely on tourist money......their traditional industries should be enough but they ain’t.

They ain’t because of the model of fishing and farming that has been imposed by successive governments as part of a greater strategy to divert money away from stocking your larder and into the coffers of the exchequer instead to piss about with and spunk away on their pet social engineering projects.

I hear what you are saying about house prices, but again houses are over valued and your castle has in many ways been turned into your prison by clever manoeuvring from government and their financial institution friends.

Fact is, a local industry should pay for a house and the occupant have a chance of paying it down before they are too old to walk ! 
 

I don’t blame them for not liking incomers, we have seen the wreckage allowing any tom, dick and Harry into communities causes in bigger towns and cities......they may like their life and want to guard it, good for them I say, we need more like that.

I know myself that being an incomer from outside is a delicate process where you HAVE to respect the locality, the people and it’s traditions.

I actually asked before I moved if my moving there would be preventing a young local person getting their foot on the ladder and I was driven round and shown why it wouldn’t be a problem.

I didn’t pay and inflated price to only live in a community as a weekend retreat.

I paid bottom dollar, moved and threw myself into the locality......I never TOLD anyone anything, I always ASKED which many who have moved here since have not bothered to do.....and they normally don’t last.

I get your frustration because your roots are from there and you ain’t a stranger but I totally understand and respect any English town or village or hamlet that says “outsiders not welcome here”.....fair f***ing play to them, if only more of us were like that.

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by WILF

[South hams hunter 8,938]

7 hours ago, timmytree said:

No? So why are all your campsites, b&bs and hotels begging people to come down? Why were 2000 rental owners warned for breaking the law during lockdown? If you don't want visitors why are all your pubs offering beer and your cafes offering food? Devon and Cornwall will die without tourism because you've got nothing else. Tourist money keeps you going for the rest of the the year and supplies most of the employment. Easy for some to say they don't want tourists isn't it?

Well maybe you should start generating real income instead of relying on ripping off tourists. Let's be honest, most people come to Devon or Cornwall because they can't afford a decent holiday. Cheap accomodation, crappy beer and lousy food supplied by miserable people who generally aren't local anyway.

I have Cornish family, from Penzance, those who haven't left are the ones that died there, I wouldn't go back unless it was the last place I could have a shit. Simply because of the attitude from so called locals the last time I was there. I had more family history there and they treat me like a foreigner? I live in Somerset now, I treat everyone equally, local or holidaymaker but in Cornwall and parts of Devon visitors are scum. They only want tourist money.

Personally I wish every tourist would avoid Devon and Cornwall and leave both counties realising that they need tourists more than tourists need Devon and Cornwall.

I'm not in about tourism I'm on about COVID-19, we have managed to stay fairly isolated and now every corner of the f***ing island is down here 

[WILF 48,096]

2 minutes ago, timmytree said:

But why are they down there? Because farmers want their campsites full to make money, 2nd home owners and landlords want their £1000 per week. 

Most ordinary Cornish people have no choice because so many are employed in tourism in some way or another. 

Don't get me wrong, we have the same trouble in Somerset but to a lesser extent but it's got the same cause, a small minority want money off tourists and they don't care what damage they do to the community.

Fair comment that, as you say many have no choice and that is the real crime imho 

[Gav 1,708]

They opened the ferries here last week, now they're fully booked, only had eight cases here so far, lets see what happens in the the next few week?

When the Calmac website opened for bookings, it promptly crashed due to the high volume, now even us Isanders can't book a ferry!

[WILF 48,096]

5 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

A nice thought is Socialism but Capitalists rule I'm afraid .

As with left and right I'm somewhere in the middle ' maybe leaning slightly towards socialism .

Imho a capitalist is any bloke that earns his living from selling his skill or his Labour.

Areas should reflect that, it’s totally wrong that everyone has to cop a grand a week just to survive.

And the worst crime is that it’s not even the places they live seeing that grand, it’s taken off them in some way, shape or form  to be used for something else or for somebody else (normally some conference in Brussels or some shit) 

As I said to the kids, in an area where everything is valued at £4 the man with a fiver is rich.......somebody is copping the benefit and in most cases it isn’t the company or individual self employed or the bloke doing the work.

Id argue that what we have at the minute is the most rampant form of socialism we have ever seen, the state takes the fruits of your production.

You know, if a bloke in Penzance or Grimsby only has the ability to earn £400 a week locally then house prices and every other thing locally should reflect that, he should still have money in his pocket at the end of the week and a chance to pay off his gaff while still relatively young......it’s not socialism, it’s just right.

A bloke in some office in Manhattan shouldn’t be deciding the cost of a house in rural English town and getting his politician mates to help him.
 

 

[South hams hunter 8,938]

26 minutes ago, timmytree said:

But why are they down there? Because farmers want their campsites full to make money, 2nd home owners and landlords want their £1000 per week. 

Most ordinary Cornish people have no choice because so many are employed in tourism in some way or another. 

Don't get me wrong, we have the same trouble in Somerset but to a lesser extent but it's got the same cause, a small minority want money off tourists and they don't care what damage they do to the community.

I think your right, Cornwall needs it more than us but they have to come pass here to get there

[si brown 8,486]

22 minutes ago, Gav said:

They opened the ferries here last week, now they're fully booked, only had eight cases here so far, lets see what happens in the the next few week?

When the Calmac website opened for bookings, it promptly crashed due to the high volume, now even us Isanders can't book a ferry!

It’s a joke Gav... how can they do that when cranky is still spouting on about the 5 mile limit!

[South hams hunter 8,938]

9 minutes ago, timmytree said:

That's where we're lucky in Somerset, the M5 and A 303 encourage them to keep going to the land of pirates and pasties.

One more interesting point to think about though. All those 2nd home owners, campsite owners and people who encourage people to Cornwall, where do they go on holiday? I bet they spend 6 months of the year elsewhere. I bet half of them don't even live in Cornwall.

Wouldn't know mate because I'm in Devon I know I door knocked a village just inside Cornwall once and it was absolutely dead in March 

[Neal 1,874]

My family and I are due to visit Devon in a few weeks. Some of my ancestors were from Cornwall and I lived there in the late 80s/early 90s while at art college in Falmouth. Even then I remember being told that there were 0% locals living in Helford Passage.

I introduced my wife to the area when we met and we've never holidayed abroad, invariably going back to the same North Dartmoor village where we spent our honeymoon fifteen years ago. We're on very friendly terms with the people who we rent the cottage from (who are locals) who've also been giving us advice about moving to the area, which we hope to do in the near future. They've recently texted me to say they're still looking forward to us coming. I can understand why some would want people to stay away but please don't paint us all the same. We're not all chavs who want to sit on the beach and get rat-arsed and spent our money in a pub chain. Some of us simply want to go to the only place where we feel at home.

[Arry 22,899]

28 minutes ago, sid g said:

this this not normal from now till the end of aug anyway arry  ?  been stuck in some jams over the years travelling to n from that way thats why we stopped going in  the end ... 

Your right mate especially Bank holidays. Like I said in other post it's just concerning because of the pandemic and the fact we have kept it low down here. Folk are worried it will start a spike. When you see how visitors behave at Bournemouth, Durdle Door and else where. 

Cheers Arry

[Neal 1,874]

Don't worry; I'll be spending most of my time up on Taw Marsh...oh, and Waitrose obviously.

[downsview 448]

You don't own it so suck it up, small places small minds 

[Arry 22,899]

1 hour ago, downsview said:

You don't own it so suck it up, small places small minds 

No we don't own it. But we do pay for it, one of the highest water charges if not the highest so the water quality of beaches is good and  so you can drink and bath in water. High community charges so the litter that left all over the beaches can be picked up and toilets can be  supplied and cleaned.

But I don't mind people coming down.

The point of the thread was that people are worried over a mass influx of people into an area that has had very low infection and therefor vulnerable to the Covid - 19 that they may bring down with them. Atb.

Cheers Arry