Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, walshie said: Woe betide the next guy on here who innocently asks if he should buy a 308 or a 6.5. Well that killed that.... 2 Quote Link to post
ianm 2,594 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 It is probably the next HMR ie-shit! I will tell you what is flat shooting. I use a load in my 30/06 110grn bullet over 58grns of powder. It knocks Sika straight off their feet. 1 Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, ianm said: It is probably the next HMR ie-shit! I will tell you what is flat shooting. I use a load in my 30/06 110grn bullet over 58grns of powder. It knocks Sika straight off their feet. 58! I use to get 50gn in a 308 case under a 110! 1 Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 It might be worth waiting to see wich round the US militarys choose three companies have delivered weapons for field testing. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/29/shot-2020-textron-ngsw-r-at-the-hk-booth/ https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/09/07/true-velocity-composite-cased-ammo-ngsw/ https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/09/03/sig-sauer-ngsw-prototype/ https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/19/potd-general-dynamics-ngsw-engineers-at-the-range/ 6,8mm bore and 7,01mm bullet/groove. Quote Link to post
ianm 2,594 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Sausagedog said: 58! I use to get 50gn in a 308 case under a 110! Depends on the powder though dunnit! Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, ianm said: Depends on the powder though dunnit! Sure. I was using 4895. Quote Link to post
philpot 5,005 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 Well I am sure the US hunters will want them for squirrel hunting along with home protection.................................... Phil Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) On 01/07/2020 at 11:56, Sausagedog said: I'm not interested in conflict. It has no bearing to hunting. And I don't watch action movies. Conflict has no bearing to hunting but case developments do. The biggest limitation has been pressures and now pressures can be safely increased it opens up the way for more performance. As you say, there may be implications for bullets but having said that, 3,000fps is low compared to a .204 or .22-250, albeit they're driving lighter bullets. 23 hours ago, ianm said: It is probably the next HMR ie-shit! I will tell you what is flat shooting. I use a load in my 30/06 110grn bullet over 58grns of powder. It knocks Sika straight off their feet. ..and you as well. Even standard .30-06 is known for it's recoil although it is an excellent deer calibre. 4 hours ago, philpot said: Well I am sure the US hunters will want them for squirrel hunting along with home protection.................................... Phil .458 SOCOM. Edited July 2, 2020 by Alsone Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 "What's more interesting is the cartridge rather than the calibre as the cartridge design opens up the way for much higher pressures in almost any calibre." Sig does already make the cases in 6,5 CM ,5,56 nato, 7,62 NATO you just need an action to take 80000psi. Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 My car only makes 90hp but I get to where I'm going just as quickly as a vehicle with four times as much due to limitations imposed on both vehicles outside individual performance. What is considered slow by some is considered ample by others and to boot, can be backed up by results! More is NOT always better! It's just....more! But oh look now the wallet now has....less in it, to get to the same place! 1 1 Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) Sausage, nearly every "mainstream" calibre started out life as either a military or wildcat calibre......223, .308, .22-250. 220 SWIFT, .17 + .22 Hornet, in fact the only common ones I can think of that didn't are .204 Ruger and .222. 1 hour ago, KimE said: "What's more interesting is the cartridge rather than the calibre as the cartridge design opens up the way for much higher pressures in almost any calibre." Sig does already make the cases in 6,5 CM ,5,56 nato, 7,62 NATO you just need an action to take 80000psi. I don't believe they do in this cartridge. Even the .227 Sig Fury isn't released to market as of yet and the 6.5 version is a future development. Visti SIGs website and it shows the cross rifle, the only rifle chambered for that cartridge is yet to be released and there's no .277 sig fury ammo listed. Also, realise you cannot fit these high pressure cartridges into any other action - they're engineered so as not to fit anything other than a Fury specific action - different rim dimensions to standard cartridges. Edited July 2, 2020 by Alsone Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 "I don't believe they do in this cartridge." They do the steel/brass cases in thouse calibers. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/15/sig-sauer-introduce-277-fury/ Look at the second picture. Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted July 2, 2020 Report Share Posted July 2, 2020 404 Jeffries, 338winchester, 7mm Remington magnum, 30/30 Winchester, 35remington. 25-20, 30-20, 357m, 44m, 22velodog, Holland and Holland magnums. Weatherby magnums. There is loads of non military cartridges made specifically for hunting that started other than non wildcats too. Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 12 hours ago, KimE said: "I don't believe they do in this cartridge." They do the steel/brass cases in thouse calibers. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/15/sig-sauer-introduce-277-fury/ Look at the second picture. That's the future case in .277 sig fury , but it isn't released yet. Visit the SIG wesbite. The cases aren't available separately either as it cannot be reloaded yet as no existing dies fit due to the altered rim. 11 hours ago, Sausagedog said: 404 Jeffries, 338winchester, 7mm Remington magnum, 30/30 Winchester, 35remington. 25-20, 30-20, 357m, 44m, 22velodog, Holland and Holland magnums. Weatherby magnums. There is loads of non military cartridges made specifically for hunting that started other than non wildcats too. How many of those are popular calibres? 7mm Magnum, 30/30, 357m. Most of the commonly used calibres are derived from military and wildcats. Without developments we don't get new calibres and advances. Surprised you're so closed minded to advances. I'm begining to think you don't like change. You don't drink old timers coffee do you.... Quote Link to post
KimE 487 Posted July 3, 2020 Report Share Posted July 3, 2020 .357mag are developed from the military round .38 special. .44mag have its origin in .44 Russian through .44 special. 1 Quote Link to post
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