Whippet x Stag? Whippet Deer/Grey?

[Urbstar12 1]

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I’m looking for a pup to meet my needs.  I will be hunting rabbit, fox, and deer.  I will be hunting pastures and easements.  I need something with EXTREME speed for hunting cow-fields and horse-fields in Pennsylvania.  If the deer make it to the woods, they are gone. We don’t have miles of giant fields like the Staghound guys do out west for running coyote.  
 

Does anyone produce Whippet x Staghound crosses?  
Can anyone show any video of Dave Platts “English Deerhounds” actually working? 
Would a purebred Greyhound be too fragile for field work? 

[shaaark 10,752]

45 minutes ago, Urbstar12 said:

Help

I’m looking for a pup to meet my needs.  I will be hunting rabbit, fox, and deer.  I will be hunting pastures and easements.  I need something with EXTREME speed for hunting cow-fields and horse-fields in Pennsylvania.  If the deer make it to the woods, they are gone. We don’t have miles of giant fields like the Staghound guys do out west for running coyote.  
 

Does anyone produce Whippet x Staghound crosses?  
Can anyone show any video of Dave Platts “English Deerhounds” actually working? 
Would a purebred Greyhound be too fragile for field work? 

There's a guy on you tube, can't mind his name now. Has bred a couple of litters exactly how you say, dam generation bred platts 28tts deer/grey, sire 22tts pure wippet. Looked cracking. There was footage of one of the pups 16 months old, at a track somewhere over 400 metres I think, looked plenty fast enough.

Hope that's of some help?

You tube

Dave's deerhound lurcher pups

Edited June 30, 2020 by shaaark

[dogmad riley 1,344]

53 minutes ago, Urbstar12 said:

Help

I’m looking for a pup to meet my needs.  I will be hunting rabbit, fox, and deer.  I will be hunting pastures and easements.  I need something with EXTREME speed for hunting cow-fields and horse-fields in Pennsylvania.  If the deer make it to the woods, they are gone. We don’t have miles of giant fields like the Staghound guys do out west for running coyote.  
 

Does anyone produce Whippet x Staghound crosses?  
Can anyone show any video of Dave Platts “English Deerhounds” actually working? 
Would a purebred Greyhound be too fragile for field work? 

A good greyhound the job for ya so will a deerhound greyhound bred from the right stuff. 
 

if you have access to the coyote Staghounds I’d be going down that route They will do rabbit fox deer I would of thought 

[Urbstar12 1]

The US Staghounds for Coyote that I’ve seen were huge and gave up a lot of speed compared to greyhounds.  I’m sure they are rougher for yotes and have more stamina than a greyhound.  For where I’m at, and the terrain I’m hunting, speed is more important than endurance and you don’t need a very rough dog for rabbit,  fox or deer. 

[Daniel cain 45,352]

Saluki bull grey x deerhound grey

[Black neck 15,948]

1 hour ago, Urbstar12 said:

The US Staghounds for Coyote that I’ve seen were huge and gave up a lot of speed compared to greyhounds.  I’m sure they are rougher for yotes and have more stamina than a greyhound.  For where I’m at, and the terrain I’m hunting, speed is more important than endurance and you don’t need a very rough dog for rabbit,  fox or deer. 

1 them back 2 a greyhound might.be right

[dogmad riley 1,344]

2 hours ago, Urbstar12 said:

The US Staghounds for Coyote that I’ve seen were huge and gave up a lot of speed compared to greyhounds.  I’m sure they are rougher for yotes and have more stamina than a greyhound.  For where I’m at, and the terrain I’m hunting, speed is more important than endurance and you don’t need a very rough dog for rabbit,  fox or deer. 

You need a game robust dog if doing foxes in numbers. Even the deer can a dog about abit.

[Urbstar12 1]

5 hours ago, shaaark said:

There's a guy on you tube, can't mind his name now. Has bred a couple of litters exactly how you say, dam generation bred platts 28tts deer/grey, sire 22tts pure wippet. Looked cracking. There was footage of one of the pups 16 months old, at a track somewhere over 400 metres I think, looked plenty fast enough.

Hope that's of some help?

You tube

Dave's deerhound lurcher pups

I’ve seen these videos and want a dog like his.  Can anyone put me in touch with this guy?  

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

12 hours ago, Urbstar12 said:

I need something with EXTREME speed for hunting cow-fields and horse-fields in Pennsylvania.  

My 3/4 whippet 1/4 Aussie staghound,if your after rabbits and occasional fox this is a good cross,fast as fck.For deer I'd put a dog like that back to a stag or have two different dogs.This one is a specialist rabbit/ferreting dog for the hills here in Oz.If you are hunting hard, rough ground don't get a pure grey,I had one and it's feet were constantly shredded,unlike the whippet lurchers.

Edited July 1, 2020 by Aussie Whip

[ijf 111]

IMO you need at least a touch of bull to be tackling fox regularly. From chatting with my buddies in PA there are a lot of coyotes and what they call coydogs there now. 

I wouldn't go spending money on importing dogs. A full dh won't have the speed your after. I reckon one of those stag hounds over a full greyhound be your best option. And don't enter the dog doubled up. 

Be interested to see how you are set up n a couple years time

[Urbstar12 1]

Ijf, 

I have a APBTxGrey right now.  Both parents were accomplished in their own right.  I bred him when I was running deer and hogs.  He was a failed experiment.  He wasn’t really game enough for a big boar (he’s caught plenty of sow and shoats), and although I’ve had success with him on deer, I’d catch much more if he were faster.  
 

There are no coyote in my part of the state.  They’ll be here eventually but not yet.  Fox are fast but don’t take much of a dog to kill.  I’ve owned hunting dogs for a long time, just haven’t ventured into longdogs much.

I haven’t seen a Staghound yet that didn’t disappoint me with their speed compared to a greyhound.  The Stags I’ve seen aren’t much faster than my bull-grey, and he’s not fast enough.  

[C.green 3,231]

22 minutes ago, Urbstar12 said:

Ijf, 

I have a APBTxGrey right now.  Both parents were accomplished in their own right.  I bred him when I was running deer and hogs.  He was a failed experiment.  He wasn’t really game enough for a big boar (he’s caught plenty of sow and shoats), and although I’ve had success with him on deer, I’d catch much more if he were faster.  
 

There are no coyote in my part of the state.  They’ll be here eventually but not yet.  Fox are fast but don’t take much of a dog to kill.  I’ve owned hunting dogs for a long time, just haven’t ventured into longdogs much.

I haven’t seen a Staghound yet that didn’t disappoint me with their speed compared to a greyhound.  The Stags I’ve seen aren’t much faster than my bull-grey, and he’s not fast enough.  

Have you tried keeping the dog on the lean side ? 

[Daniel cain 45,352]

Does Makes a difference.... Grubbed mine up and kept her heavy first Yr... Dropped some weight off and she's like a different dog now.... My mate runs half xs and keeps them trim... Very surprised tbf, they can  motor and got stamina to boot

[dogmad riley 1,344]

1 hour ago, Urbstar12 said:

Ijf, 

I have a APBTxGrey right now.  Both parents were accomplished in their own right.  I bred him when I was running deer and hogs.  He was a failed experiment.  He wasn’t really game enough for a big boar (he’s caught plenty of sow and shoats), and although I’ve had success with him on deer, I’d catch much more if he were faster.  
 

There are no coyote in my part of the state.  They’ll be here eventually but not yet.  Fox are fast but don’t take much of a dog to kill.  I’ve owned hunting dogs for a long time, just haven’t ventured into longdogs much.

I haven’t seen a Staghound yet that didn’t disappoint me with their speed compared to a greyhound.  The Stags I’ve seen aren’t much faster than my bull-grey, and he’s not fast enough.  

It don’t take much of a dog to kill a fox but it does to do it consistently Iv been searching for for a couple of years for a consistent fox killer  With no joy the one I did have died prematurely. I was gutted he would tackle a lion 

 

I see where you are coming from with the bull grey some do lack the gears for faster quarry 

[forest of dean redneck 11,598]

What about a malinois x grey?