Test curve to rod action conversion?

[Chaff 3,621]

End of the day I would rather take my chances undergunned than over, when I look back at old pictures of fish the ones that provoke my memory more are the river carp caught while barbling most memorable.

[Daniel cain 45,520]

10 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

Yawn, you match your rod to the method your using the water conditions and the intended quarry. If you want to get offensive it's thickos like yourself that leave baited hooks and lines in the water for fish to tether themselves or swallow.  Redmire is a little wee pond so there you go. I've fished the length and breadth of Britain and beyond and seen many a decent fish lost to undermatched tackle never seen one lost down to being over-gunned. I have seen many pike for instance swimming round with a gob full of trebles to the feeder rod and 5lb line mob on the other hand.

No need to be arseywe all have our methodsI will be at Redmire tomorrow doing some bank work, along with our stretches on the river wye.... Unless your punching leads and pva bags 150 yards plus... 1.75 lb is all you will ever need imo, I switch to 2.2lb tips when it's weedy, flooded and the chance of a 20 lb plus carp..... I've landed carp to 30lb on my 10ft 1lb 2oz x1 River and stream rod, 8lb linenot ideal.... Makes the knees knock lol... These heavy duty rods, lead core and idiots with all the gear, no idea... Are why lots of fish have damage to their mouths etc.. Had to ban it up by us and no one under 16 allowed to fish.... Takes the piss when your catching 20 lb plus carp with names like Rip mouthany clown can go and blow a few grand, get all the gear and start fishing.... Most will never learn how to out smart them with good old fashioned water craft... Just rely on technology... 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

1 minute ago, Daniel cain said:

No need to be arseywe all have our methodsI will be at Redmire tomorrow doing some bank work, along with our stretches on the river wye.... Unless your punching leads and pva bags 150 yards plus... 1.75 lb is all you will ever need imo, I switch to 2.2lb tips when it's weedy, flooded and the chance of a 20 lb plus carp..... I've landed carp to 30lb on my 10ft 1lb 2oz x1 River and stream rod, 8lb linenot ideal.... Makes the knees knock lol... These heavy duty rods, lead core and idiots with all the gear, no idea... Are why lots of fish have damage to their mouths etc.. Had to ban it up by us and no one under 16 allowed to fish.... Takes the piss when your catching 20 lb plus carp with names like Rip mouthany clown can go and blow a few grand, get all the gear and start fishing.... Most will never learn how to out smart them with good old fashioned water craft... Just rely on technology... 

The arsyness was replying in kind. And I couldn't agree more you match the tackle to what's best for fish and angler which is why when replying to a bloke in North America who I presumed to be fishing some huge river or atleast would have access to such would prob be better with a stronger rod, then he confirmed it with talk of alarms and a pod i.e your typical UK carper style (not my cup of tea btw if I'm carping I'm generally fishing off the top with I lighter rod for a bit of fun). 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

9 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

The arsyness was replying in kind. And I couldn't agree more you match the tackle to what's best for fish and angler which is why when replying to a bloke in North America who I presumed to be fishing some huge river or atleast would have access to such would prob be better with a stronger rod, then he confirmed it with talk of alarms and a pod i.e your typical UK carper style (not my cup of tea btw if I'm carping I'm generally fishing off the top with I lighter rod for a bit of fun). 

Also if you've not travelled about much with your fishing you might not realise all fish aren't built equal you can't compare a 10lb fish in some muddy low oxygen southern water to a same size fish in for example a gin clear Irish river full of oxygen and beans. The river Wye is a decent example actually like you said 8lb line and a light rod not ideal and in a decent current with a few snags about your losing more big fish than your landing. The 40lb blue shark on the mullet rod I mentioned earlier took over an hour and tbh I was a little bored by the end and the fish just had to turn side on and flick its tail I was fighting the tide more than the fish and while I was pissing about missed my turn on the proper shark rod which turned out to be nearly 8ft long and an estimated 220lb if we'd of hooked that on the mullet rod there'd of been 2 outcomes either a lost fish or one so knackered it wouldn't have the energy to keep itself right in the current after release, so crap all round.

Edited June 6, 2020 by JDHUNTING

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

36 minutes ago, Chaff said:

End of the day I would rather take my chances undergunned than over, when I look back at old pictures of fish the ones that provoke my memory more are the river carp caught while barbling most memorable.

Ye fair enough if you catch a fish on under gunned tackle but if you set out to do so your just damaging yourself and others fishing and a lot of people have spent a lot of time and a lot of money to keep UK coarse fishing amongst the best in the world. You wouldn't go foxing with a .22 air rifle would you.

Edited June 6, 2020 by JDHUNTING

[Greyman 28,454]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Horses for courses though big lad, don’t you think ?

The technology in a Harrison or Century blank wasn’t available back then.

I still have a set of old KMDT3s (the original Maddocks rods) and their action is fantastic for fishing on the top, but my century’s beat them by a country mile for casting little bags and controlling 20+ fish.

Like we both know, it just depends on your style and how you like to play fish.

 

 

1 hour ago, JDHUNTING said:

Yawn, you match your rod to the method your using the water conditions and the intended quarry. If you want to get offensive it's thickos like yourself that leave baited hooks and lines in the water for fish to tether themselves or swallow.  Redmire is a little wee pond so there you go. I've fished the length and breadth of Britain and beyond and seen many a decent fish lost to undermatched tackle never seen one lost down to being over-gunned. I have seen many pike for instance swimming round with a gob full of trebles to the feeder rod and 5lb line mob on the other hand.

If the hat fits wear it but the idiot label wasn’t aimed at you as I don’t no you well enough to justify calling you it, a noddy putting a snap tackle on a match rod is one thing, I don’t care how big a water is or how big the fish are with decent water craft I will always find and catch them in close proximity to the bank, the idiot label comes to people who buy 3-4lb test Curve rods then cast over a 100yrds of weed to drag the fish back thorough instead of walking round and finding them, I own a lovely set of Bob Morris euro spec hand made big pit rods caught one mid 30 on them and have not used them since, as the fight was shite and the feeling of achievement equally as shite, I was alive and fishing when everyone was using light rods and the horrendous mouth damage that is so accepted in today’s fishing was non excistant, most modern specimen anglers are over gunned and under skilled, I personally don’t use trebles either for pike except on lures prefer a single and loose very few, I could not risk chucking a rig out that if lost is a death sentence to anything that eats it, I fish for my own pleasure and that’s my own rules, you do what you want and as long as your happy crack on, it’s only fishing  

[WILF 46,941]

Sorry, but I just don’t agree that matching tackle to your style or your thought process means you lack water craft or any of that.......

I used 2 and 2 1/2 TC right up to the time I got my century’s which are 3.5........I can use them anywhere from the edge to the horizon because I have the skill to do it and they are good enough to do it.

I don’t want a fish leading me on a dance wherever it pleases in weedy, snaggy  lakes.

I don’t want to be looking at stuff rolling at 120 yd’s and not be able to get there.

I don’t want to add 6 more rods to the 6 I already carry, I want to travel small and mobile so nothing is in there that don’t need to be in there......if one rod does all jobs then that’s the one that’s coming.

Come on boys, I mean f**k me im a bit of a purist when it comes to my fishing but you have to use the best kit available for the situations your hobby presents.

This dude is fishing for decent size, wild, Uncaught fish.....they are going to go mental when they feel the hook, he is using braid......a soft action, 1lb tc ain’t going to cut it......you know all this yourselves 

Edited June 6, 2020 by WILF

[Chaff 3,621]

13 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

Ye fair enough if you catch a fish on under gunned tackle but if you set out to do so your just damaging yourself and others fishing and a lot of people have spent a lot of time and a lot of money to keep UK coarse fishing amongst the best in the world. You wouldn't go foxing with a .22 air rifle would you.

Choosing the right tool for the job, except you can't see your intended quarry most of the time when fishing unlike shooting. 

Well you can't always gauge your tackle by going on the biggest known resident carp cat pike or whatever.

Some French carp waters have huge 100lb plus catfish but you wouldn't want to be sat there with 8lb TC rods cranking in 40lb carp.

 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Just now, Chaff said:

Choosing the right tool for the job, except you can't see your intended quarry most of the time when fishing unlike shooting. 

Well you can't always gauge your tackle by going on the biggest known resident carp cat pike or whatever.

Some French carp waters have huge 100lb plus catfish but you wouldn't want to be sat there with 8lb TC rods cranking in 40lb carp.

 

Well exactly but if your targeting the catfish your not going to use feeder rod either unless you just like making your life harder than it needs to be and you fancy pissing off everyone fishing the lake when everyone you get a take it charges through all their swims and tangles all their lines up.

[Chaff 3,621]

10 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said:

Well exactly but if your targeting the catfish your not going to use feeder rod either unless you just like making your life harder than it needs to be and you fancy pissing off everyone fishing the lake when everyone you get a take it charges through all their swims and tangles all their lines up.

Agreed mate

[Blackmag 6,095]

I have some original fox horizons 2 1/4 tc they suit my needs handle 20 lb plus well enough and I like there action when playing fish and I have some 3.5 tc if the needs arise which I like  but don't often use  I have seen some lads bullying fish in with heavy tackle because they dont know how to play fish   just do what works for you a lot are dependent on your deepers ect but  a lot learned there watercraft on small pits or canals then moved on theses are the ones who seemed to know how to switch tactics and Nick a fish and not rely on technologies 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Blackmag

[South hams hunter 8,922]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Sorry, but I just don’t agree that matching tackle to your style or your thought process means you lack water craft or any of that.......

I used 2 and 2 1/2 TC right up to the time I got my century’s which are 3.5........I can use them anywhere from the edge to the horizon because I have the skill to do it and they are good enough to do it.

I don’t want a fish leading me on a dance wherever it pleases in weedy, snaggy  lakes.

I don’t want to be looking at stuff rolling at 120 yd’s and not be able to get there.

I don’t want to add 6 more rods to the 6 I already carry, I want to travel small and mobile so nothing is in there that don’t need to be in there......if one rod does all jobs then that’s the one that’s coming.

Come on boys, I mean f**k me im a bit of a purist when it comes to my fishing but you have to use the best kit available for the situations your hobby presents.

This dude is fishing for decent size, wild, Uncaught fish.....they are going to go mental when they feel the hook, he is using braid......a soft action, 1lb tc ain’t going to cut it......you know all this yourselves 

But then a century 3.5 doesn't feel like most 3.5s does it wolf, my mate uses a pair for his estuary fishing and they are very light and feel like 1lb rods til you actually use them

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,967]

3 hours ago, WILF said:

Horses for courses though big lad, don’t you think ?

The technology in a Harrison or Century blank wasn’t available back then.

I still have a set of old KMDT3s (the original Maddocks rods) and their action is fantastic for fishing on the top, but my century’s beat them by a country mile for casting little bags and controlling 20+ fish.

Like we both know, it just depends on your style and how you like to play fish.

 

Zzzzzzzzhhhhhhhhhh 

[Nicepix 5,650]

2 hours ago, JDHUNTING said:

100lb line and a rod almost as stiff as a pool cue, fought like a demon and went back unharmed. Found 2 years later dead with trebles sticking out its from its stomach from someone losing a baited rig with inadequate tackle

You have no idea how that fish was lost. It could have been a dodgy knot or the line being cut on something sharp.

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Sorry, but I just don’t agree that matching tackle to your style or your thought process means you lack water craft or any of that.......

I used 2 and 2 1/2 TC right up to the time I got my century’s which are 3.5........I can use them anywhere from the edge to the horizon because I have the skill to do it and they are good enough to do it.

I don’t want a fish leading me on a dance wherever it pleases in weedy, snaggy  lakes.

I don’t want to be looking at stuff rolling at 120 yd’s and not be able to get there.

I don’t want to add 6 more rods to the 6 I already carry, I want to travel small and mobile so nothing is in there that don’t need to be in there......if one rod does all jobs then that’s the one that’s coming.

Come on boys, I mean f**k me im a bit of a purist when it comes to my fishing but you have to use the best kit available for the situations your hobby presents.

This dude is fishing for decent size, wild, Uncaught fish.....they are going to go mental when they feel the hook, he is using braid......a soft action, 1lb tc ain’t going to cut it......you know all this yourselves 

No one is advocating 1lb tc for this situation. But I know from my own experience of fishing for wild, uncaught carp a lot bigger than the 15lb fish he expects that a rod of 2lb tc or less is ample, probably 1.5lb tc would be ideal.

Regards the situation in France; there are catfish in my area of 100lb or more. They will take baits set out for barbel and carp what is JDHunting advocating; we all fish with 6lb tc rods and 100lb line for barbel just in case a catfish comes along? Bear in mind that most of the barbel are 3lb or less and most carp I catch on quiver gear are mid teens to mid twenties. So I set out my tackle for the species and size I expect to encounter and if a really big catfish comes along I just accept the inevitable break of the hook link.

[NEWKID 27,159]

Loads of good replies lads...

The couple of things I'd consider (forgetting brands and even test curve so to speak) is 1, how/where are you presenting the bait...ie long distance, fast flowing river, margin fishing, etc and then size of fish you are likely to encounter.

The other key point here is the man is fishing with braid, so a softer more through action rod would be favourable...anything to stiff and you have a chance of hook pulls...

I agree with Wilf and JD Hunting in that undergunning is only fun for the angler, potentially cruel on the fish.. I love fishing light, in the sea or coarse fishing, if you have open water and a little skill you can handle decent fish on light gear..

But if this lad is using 4 or 5oz leads to hold bottom in a deep powerful river a 1.25tc Avon type wont cut it..

If hes picking 15lb carp off in the margins or on an open pool it is a lovely tool for the job.