Test curve to rod action conversion?

[South hams hunter 8,922]

3 hours ago, Greyman said:

I don’t know if it’s any help but I use a bass rod to fly fish for pike and carp don’t know what the test curve or much else about it but it handles both of those species fine, so I guess a heavy spinning rod would be a reasonable blank for a carp rod I also have an old fibreglass spinning rod that I,ve had carp to 20lb + on and it’s nicer than many modern carp rods

Bass rod would be around a 3/4lb test curve rod but normally stiffer

[South hams hunter 8,922]

3 hours ago, Nicepix said:

You can cast 30 yds with a 1.5lb test curve rod and a centrepin reel. And land fish of that size. You don't need anything more than 1.75lb tc for what you are planning. Also you don't need a stiff action rod. That is for those who want to cast to the far bank of the moon. Go for a 10 or 11 foot Avon type blank and have some fun with your fishing.

 

Is an Avon similar to a feeder? 

[South hams hunter 8,922]

5 hours ago, Wolfdog91 said:

All of that varies from place to place but I guess a 15-15lbs grass or common carp would be pretty average,  and can be casting anywhere from a yard or two off the back to 30yd, probably gonna stick with 30lbs braid though

Look at a heavy feeder or barbel rod, just order it straight from amazon 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

An previously uncaught large common carp on presumably a river will do whatever it wants to on an Avon rod or heavy feeder be better with a nice strong 2.5- 3lb TC rod imo

[Greyman 28,454]

11ft 2lb 25lb uncaught river beastie enjoy the fight,

[Nicepix 5,650]

10 hours ago, South hams hunter said:

Is an Avon similar to a feeder? 

An Avon type rod typically has a stiff lower 2/3 and a flexible upper 1/3. A feeder rod isn't the same and typically has a stiffer action carried further up the rod then a very flexible tip. Some rods come with two tops, an Avon top and a Quiver Tip top. If you put the stiffest quiver tip, say 6oz into the carrier section you will see that the curve under load starts higher up the rod and is then much steeper than the same load on an Avon top.

The difference between an Avon rod and an old fashioned carp rod is purely the test curve. An Avon has a tc of 1lb and a Mk. 4 carp rod 1.5lb tc. For the OPs situation an old cane or fibreglass Mk. 4 rod would suit the purpose and be more pleasant to use.

[Nicepix 5,650]

10 hours ago, JDHUNTING said:

An previously uncaught large common carp on presumably a river will do whatever it wants to on an Avon rod or heavy feeder be better with a nice strong 2.5- 3lb TC rod imo

Are you talking from experience or imagination?

I've had lots of carp to over 23lb from French rivers on an old 1.5lb tc rod bought for £30 almost 15 years ago. Most of them whilst using centrepins. I also had a Korum Feeder rod and that handled carp to just under 20lb with no drama whatsoever.  Also had cats to 35lb on a 2lb feeder rod and a medium 14 - 20g  spinning rod.

[South hams hunter 8,922]

5 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

An Avon type rod typically has a stiff lower 2/3 and a flexible upper 1/3. A feeder rod isn't the same and typically has a stiffer action carried further up the rod then a very flexible tip. Some rods come with two tops, an Avon top and a Quiver Tip top. If you put the stiffest quiver tip, say 6oz into the carrier section you will see that the curve under load starts higher up the rod and is then much steeper than the same load on an Avon top.

The difference between an Avon rod and an old fashioned carp rod is purely the test curve. An Avon has a tc of 1lb and a Mk. 4 carp rod 1.5lb tc. For the OPs situation an old cane or fibreglass Mk. 4 rod would suit the purpose and be more pleasant to use.

Thanks for that mate, I'm a see angler that uses a feeder rod for some aspects 

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 minute ago, South hams hunter said:

Thanks for that mate, I'm a see angler that uses a feeder rod for some aspects 

In practice the quiver section folds under heavy load and follows the line so you end up playing heavy fish on the lower part of the rod and the feeder section is redundant.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

13 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Are you talking from experience or imagination?

I've had lots of carp to over 23lb from French rivers on an old 1.5lb tc rod bought for £30 almost 15 years ago. Most of them whilst using centrepins. I also had a Korum Feeder rod and that handled carp to just under 20lb with no drama whatsoever.  Also had cats to 35lb on a 2lb feeder rod and a medium 14 - 20g  spinning rod.

And I've caught a 40lb blue shark on a 2lb TC mullet rod and 27lb carp on a light float rod that doesn't mean it's whats best to use all the time. When your fish of a lifetime is heading straight for a snag you'd be glad you picked the right rod for job

 

Oh experience by the way, lots of it.

Edited June 6, 2020 by JDHUNTING

[Nicepix 5,650]

2 hours ago, JDHUNTING said:

And I've caught a 40lb blue shark on a 2lb TC mullet rod and 27lb carp on a light float rod that doesn't mean it's whats best to use all the time. When your fish of a lifetime is heading straight for a snag you'd be glad you picked the right rod for job

 

Oh experience by the way, lots of it.

But you don't need a 3lb test curve rod to catch the 15lb carp the OP expects. The reason these rods came about was for casting the sort of weights needed for bolt rigs to the horizon, not for playing fish. If you took your logic nobody fishing French rivers would use anything less than a 5lb tc  rod just in case they hooked their 'fish of a lifetime'. But other than that one session then in the rest of their lives they would be massively overgunned for the size of fish they normally encounter.

Don't forget that the rod designed to land a 44lb wild carp was only 1.5lb tc and the same type of rod also landed another record of 51lb as well as many others over 30lb. But if you are using a 2lb tc rod for mullet then we are on different planets. I catch loads of river carp 15lbs - 25lb on standard quiver tip rods and 1.5lb tc Avons. My mullet rod is 1lb tc. It does the job.

 

[Greyman 28,454]

Clarissa the British record carp for many years taken from a heavily weeded redmire on a 1 1/2lb  tc rod, the first 50lb uk carp caught on a 11/5 lb tc rod, Mary from wraysbury uk s first 60lb carp caught by Phil Thompson on an 11ft  2lb tc rod, these big 2-3 and 4lb test curve beach casting rods came into fashion so idiots could fish at rediculous ranges over weed and bully fish to the bank and are the reason half the big fish in the country are swimming round with half a face because it’s catch at all costs over water craft and skill

[WILF 46,941]

11 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Clarissa the British record carp for many years taken from a heavily weeded redmire on a 1 1/2lb  tc rod, the first 50lb uk carp caught on a 11/5 lb tc rod, Mary from wraysbury uk s first 60lb carp caught by Phil Thompson on an 11ft  2lb tc rod, these big 2-3 and 4lb test curve beach casting rods came into fashion so idiots could fish at rediculous ranges over weed and bully fish to the bank and are the reason half the big fish in the country are swimming round with half a face because it’s catch at all costs over water craft and skill

Horses for courses though big lad, don’t you think ?

The technology in a Harrison or Century blank wasn’t available back then.

I still have a set of old KMDT3s (the original Maddocks rods) and their action is fantastic for fishing on the top, but my century’s beat them by a country mile for casting little bags and controlling 20+ fish.

Like we both know, it just depends on your style and how you like to play fish.

 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

20 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Clarissa the British record carp for many years taken from a heavily weeded redmire on a 1 1/2lb  tc rod, the first 50lb uk carp caught on a 11/5 lb tc rod, Mary from wraysbury uk s first 60lb carp caught by Phil Thompson on an 11ft  2lb tc rod, these big 2-3 and 4lb test curve beach casting rods came into fashion so idiots could fish at rediculous ranges over weed and bully fish to the bank and are the reason half the big fish in the country are swimming round with half a face because it’s catch at all costs over water craft and skill

Yawn, you match your rod to the method your using the water conditions and the intended quarry. If you want to get offensive it's thickos like yourself that leave baited hooks and lines in the water for fish to tether themselves or swallow.  Redmire is a little wee pond so there you go. I've fished the length and breadth of Britain and beyond and seen many a decent fish lost to undermatched tackle never seen one lost down to being over-gunned. I have seen many pike for instance swimming round with a gob full of trebles to the feeder rod and 5lb line mob on the other hand.

Edited June 6, 2020 by JDHUNTING

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

100lb line and a rod almost as stiff as a pool cue, fought like a demon and went back unharmed. Found 2 years later dead with trebles sticking out its from its stomach from someone losing a baited rig with inadequate tackle