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1 hour ago, Sausagedog said:

This notion of better. It cracks me up.

A more accurate term would be " I think more is better".

It's not!

I shoot no less fox with rimfires than I did with a wide range of centerfires.

All a bigger or larger capacity rifle does is put pressure on the operator to work it at great distance however as range increases so does potential for error, with error comes disappointment.

Only someone that watches edited video's of success with no actual experience will believe that more is better but believe me eventually with aging eyesight, aching limbs and hair loss one tends to notice things like one is missing the long shots more often. That most the shots are 100yds or less and that you miss the days of simplicity like when one started out many years ago!

Oh SD you have described me so well ................................................ are you sure we have not met ?

You know when coming from a point of being a centre fire virgin, like wat I is,  I keep my aging eyes open to all ideas, after all it is the likes of friends and forums that help to form an opinion in the first place.  I know that my WMR will take the vast majority of my fox shooting BUT I have the interest in going into CF as part of this all absorbing hobby / sport of ours.

My shooting partner and myself have land where the CF would be handy because we are facing ranges of 150 - 200mts and beyond is a waste of time as I am not confident to even try at longer distances. I do however still enjoy a bit of paper punching but again would like to extend the range that a CF would offer and with a 300mt range soon to open close to me, it opens a new aspect to the sport.

I am not interested in going the route of a 204 or 22-250 or hornet for a couple of reasons but cost and availability of ammo nearby is a big pull. The .222 and .223 offer me plenty of ammo at several rfds close to me, they offer me the range I am interested in and there are plenty of them around to choose from both new and s/h.  I added the ,243 into the mix because I have read on here that a number of you guys use them on both fox and deer suggesting that you regard them as being an excellent gun for the job, hence it's inclusion to the list BUT I do not see me getting into deer shooting but to take a few muntjack is as far as I would be going despite the fact that we have plenty of deer roaming the land we shoot on.

I am interested in perhaps going into reloading at a later stage if usage offers me a more economic route and as I am retired, I have the time and interest to get involved in that aspect of our hobby.  As a retired ole tart, I also have to be very mindful of making the right decision with any of my gun purchases because as funds are limited, I cannot simply buy something else (very annoying to say the least).

 

I do find that reading the words of wisdon on here and other places is a good way to gather enough valid information to be able to make an informed decision. I may well decide that something is not for me due to certain reasons such as the 204 but am happy to listen to experience from those who know after all in some other areas it will be me who is offering advice on another aspect of shooting, the beauty of forums. It is also fair to say that I have a number of people on here who are now friends so to share experiences with friends is a good way of doing things.   am getting soppy so I am off.

Phil

 

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Phil this may or may not help you decide, but imagine you have walked into a gunshop and there are three regulars in there and all have a different calibre. There is an old chap sat on a chair in

If I was only going to have one rifle it would be a .243 . If you don’t reload your own you could try 58grn Winchester varmint X bullets , they are very good on Charlie . Then as has been said before

Of the three calibres you have short listed i would go .243 all day long. Deer legal and if using 55/58grn bullets on fox very fast and flat which is a big advantage at night.

Philip, fill your boots with any CF rifle you desire. I did and you should too.

It was the notion of " better"  being expressed by someone that has never owned or displayed any evidence of ownership of what they advise!

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Phil this may or may not help you decide, but imagine you have walked into a gunshop and there are three regulars in there and all have a different calibre.

There is an old chap sat on a chair in the corner. He is dressed in a shirt and tie, woollen pullover and tweed jacket although the temperature is 25 degs and it is July. His ensemble is topped off with a loden hat and he smokes one of those curly pipes. He has a faint whiff of urine about him. This is the archetypal .222 owner, he is from a time long since past.

Next is a much younger chap in his early twenties lent on the counter. This chap is typical of his years, there is nothing he doesn't know about rifle shooting even though he is still on a closed certificate and has been shooting unmentored for the grand total of six weeks. He is dressed in a T shirt by some famous designer or other and cost about the same money as a decent sound moderator would. His track suit bottoms with the stripes down each leg don't actually complement his expensive T shirt or even the latest fashionable running shoes on his feet. He has a faint whiff of some substance grown under strong lights and is usually thought of by the rest of society as what is known as a "chav". He has as his pride and joy a .223.

The third chap in our trio has turned up in a Toyota Hilux pick up truck with a dog box on the back some fencing posts a part roll of wire mesh and a selection of tools commensurate with doing jobs outdoors, perhaps around release pens or some such. The truck hasn't been washed in a while and it doesn't really matter to the owner, washing the truck isn't going to help him get his job done. He has come to the shop today for a supply of ammunition for his chosen calibre. He isn't really the chatty type but is pleasant when spoken to, you get the opinion he has plenty to do and just wants to get on with it. His clothing sort of confirms that assesment of him. He has a checked shirt on with the sleeves rolled up and a pair of well worn moleskin trousers. His feet are covered in a pair of stout boots that will serve him well in any situation. He has a whiff of sweat on his body but fresh sweat not stale. He pays for his hundred rounds of 58grn ammunition bids everyone farewell and is on his way. He owns a .243. ?       

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3 hours ago, ianm said:

Phil this may or may not help you decide, but imagine you have walked into a gunshop and there are three regulars in there and all have a different calibre.

There is an old chap sat on a chair in the corner. He is dressed in a shirt and tie, woollen pullover and tweed jacket although the temperature is 25 degs and it is July. His ensemble is topped off with a loden hat and he smokes one of those curly pipes. He has a faint whiff of urine about him. This is the archetypal .222 owner, he is from a time long since past.

Next is a much younger chap in his early twenties lent on the counter. This chap is typical of his years, there is nothing he doesn't know about rifle shooting even though he is still on a closed certificate and has been shooting unmentored for the grand total of six weeks. He is dressed in a T shirt by some famous designer or other and cost about the same money as a decent sound moderator would. His track suit bottoms with the stripes down each leg don't actually complement his expensive T shirt or even the latest fashionable running shoes on his feet. He has a faint whiff of some substance grown under strong lights and is usually thought of by the rest of society as what is known as a "chav". He has as his pride and joy a .223.

The third chap in our trio has turned up in a Toyota Hilux pick up truck with a dog box on the back some fencing posts a part roll of wire mesh and a selection of tools commensurate with doing jobs outdoors, perhaps around release pens or some such. The truck hasn't been washed in a while and it doesn't really matter to the owner, washing the truck isn't going to help him get his job done. He has come to the shop today for a supply of ammunition for his chosen calibre. He isn't really the chatty type but is pleasant when spoken to, you get the opinion he has plenty to do and just wants to get on with it. His clothing sort of confirms that assesment of him. He has a checked shirt on with the sleeves rolled up and a pair of well worn moleskin trousers. His feet are covered in a pair of stout boots that will serve him well in any situation. He has a whiff of sweat on his body but fresh sweat not stale. He pays for his hundred rounds of 58grn ammunition bids everyone farewell and is on his way. He owns a .243. ?       

Ian, your shooting reports are a thing of joy and you have not dissapointed here either, you need to write a book my friend because you have a way with words which is always a pleasure to read.   Interesting point as well.

Phil

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20 hours ago, walshie said:

Thinks he wants a 222/223? Don't you think that sounds incredibly patronising?

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Not really and it wasn't my intention to patronise. By implication if you ask as you're unsure, you want advice / opinions. Just becasue you've narrowed something down to 2 chocies doesn't mean necessarily that you've made the right choice when narrowing. By getting a range of views, you can either confirm your original choice or realise that maybe there's something better suited. It never hurts to shop around for opinion. Either way I hope Phil finds what he's looking for.

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