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[BenBhoy 4,706]

Phil mentioned occasional muntjac so that rules the .204 out 

[delswal 3,819]

  On 02/06/2020 at 22:35, philpot said:

I was looking at a really nice .222 Tikka whilst in the rfd the other day Del, just a passing view but I might take that one off the rack next time I am in.

Phil

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Thats what I have Phil..............  .222 M595 Tikka most accurate rifle I've ever owned ...............Even Si can shoot it lol

[philpot 5,053]

Right I will have a closer look in that case Del..........................................oh, I have to pop in there tomorrow, now theres a coincidence don't you think 

Phil

[Alsone 789]

  On 02/06/2020 at 07:01, walshie said:

204 is a 20 cal, not a 22.  

17 Hornet will be most upset to be thrown on the Alsone scrapheap now you have a new favourite. 

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technicality on the calibre front. Your are correct but most people treat .204 as they do .22 cf as it capabilities match or exceed most .22 cf's. In fact I'd have thought you'd have been a fan Walshie as the parent case is your loved .222 (Magnum).

On the .17 front, yep the Hornet is the best of the .17 mainstream calibres in my opinion. 

Delswal, as to asking about .223 / .222 / .243 I don't think you can ask about these in isolation as there are many other alternatives to .223 such as .204 that are arguably better in some respects. .243 also isn't a 22CF but definately deserves to be in the conversation.

 

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[Alsone 789]

  On 02/06/2020 at 22:46, BenBhoy said:

Phil mentioned occasional muntjac so that rules the .204 out 

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Unless he goes the 2 calibre route which was the alternative suggestion. If you want a single "SUV rifle", then .243 is the obvious choice because as Deker mentioned it doesn't limit you to any particular species so is the best all rounder for a do everything deer / fox calibre. That said, an allrounder doesn't excel as well as a specialist choice for each application.

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[Sausagedog 7,381]

  On 02/06/2020 at 22:46, BenBhoy said:

Phil mentioned occasional muntjac so that rules the .204 out 

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Well actually Phil said " the odd muntie" so there must be some one eyed three legged ones his way or my granddaughter's favourite, unicorn munties.

[BenBhoy 4,706]

  On 02/06/2020 at 23:51, Alsone said:

Unless he goes the 2 calibre route which was the alternative suggestion. If you want a single "SUV rifle", then .243 is the obvious choice because as Deker mentioned it doesn't limit you to any particular species so is the best all rounder for a do everything deer / fox calibre. That said, an allrounder doesn't excel as well as a specialist choice for each application.

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Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping to put in variation next year for my 1st CF and I'm already 80% sure I'll go .204 but I'll save that argume....I mean "thread"!! 

[Alsone 789]

  On 03/06/2020 at 03:51, Sausagedog said:

Well actually Phil said " the odd muntie" so there must be some one eyed three legged ones his way or my granddaughter's favourite, unicorn munties.

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Maybe they're a bit like those 3 eyed fish on the Simpsons. Nuclear establishment nearby? Does your grass grow glow after dark?

 

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[walshie 2,804]

  On 03/06/2020 at 07:21, BenBhoy said:

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping to put in variation next year for my 1st CF and I'm already 80% sure I'll go .204 but I'll save that argume....I mean "thread"!! 

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Be sure not to ask opinions on here or you'll be walking out the shop with a H&H 577 Nitro. 

[BenBhoy 4,706]

  On 03/06/2020 at 08:29, walshie said:

Be sure not to ask opinions on here or you'll be walking out the shop with a H&H 577 Nitro. 

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Ha you think its bad here mate; I'm on a farming forum too - woe betide someone asking what breed of sheep they should get!! 

[Sausagedog 7,381]

  On 03/06/2020 at 08:34, BenBhoy said:

Ha you think its bad here mate; I'm on a farming forum too - woe betide someone asking what breed of sheep they should get!! 

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[delswal 3,819]

  On 02/06/2020 at 23:45, Alsone said:

technicality on the calibre front. Your are correct but most people treat .204 as they do .22 cf as it capabilities match or exceed most .22 cf's. In fact I'd have thought you'd have been a fan Walshie as the parent case is your loved .222 (Magnum).

On the .17 front, yep the Hornet is the best of the .17 mainstream calibres in my opinion. 

Delswal, as to asking about .223 / .222 / .243 I don't think you can ask about these in isolation as there are many other alternatives to .223 such as .204 that are arguably better in some respects. .243 also isn't a 22CF but definately deserves to be in the conversation.

 

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If the man has asked about a calibre he is interested in of course it can be asked in isolation ffs...........he wants a .222 / .223 / or a .243 not a 204 or a 17 or a hornet ffs.

 

[Alsone 789]

If there are better options he should at least know about them. Just because he thinks he wants a .222 / .223 doesn't mean he's made the best decision. People can give opinions on the calibres he requested info about but also consider if maybe others fit better. Someone could suggest they want .243 or .30.06 with their main quarry Red Deer. Are we not going to suggest that maybe .308 or 6.5mm are a better fit? It's a discussion forum. If people wish to give other suggestions they should be free to do so, and rightly so. 

[walshie 2,804]

  On 05/06/2020 at 03:53, Alsone said:

If there are better options he should at least know about them. Just because he thinks he wants a .222 / .223 doesn't mean he's made the best decision. People can give opinions on the calibres he requested info about but also consider if maybe others fit better. Someone could suggest they want .243 or .30.06 with their main quarry Red Deer. Are we not going to suggest that maybe .308 or 6.5mm are a better fit? It's a discussion forum. If people wish to give other suggestions they should be free to do so, and rightly so. 

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Thinks he wants a 222/223? Don't you think that sounds incredibly patronising? I take it as he wants a 222/223 and was asking members who use them for any pros/cons to look out for. "Best decision" is subjective and I assume he thinks the calibres he wants are the best or wouldn't be asking.

Not wishing to start a row, but do you have a 204? If you do, by all means throw your experiences of it into the mix, but if you don't, then you're reading someone else's opinion so Philpot is getting your opinion based on someone else's opinion of a calibre he didn't ask about rather than a calibre he did ask about from the horse's mouth. 

You're right of course that this is a forum for slinging around ideas but if someone asks for opinions on 3 specific calibres, that's what he should get. If the topic was "What's the best calibre in your opinion out of all of them" your points would make sense. But he didn't ask that. 

[Sausagedog 7,381]

This notion of better. It cracks me up.

A more accurate term would be " I think more is better".

It's not!

I shoot no less fox with rimfires than I did with a wide range of centerfires.

All a bigger or larger capacity rifle does is put pressure on the operator to work it at great distance however as range increases so does potential for error, with error comes disappointment.

Only someone that watches edited video's of success with no actual experience will believe that more is better but believe me eventually with aging eyesight, aching limbs and hair loss one tends to notice things like one is missing the long shots more often. That most the shots are 100yds or less and that you miss the days of simplicity like when one started out many years ago!