Lachhiman Gurung ( gurkha soldier )

[Greb147 6,809]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Exactly. My point is that I don't think the USA is really a shining example to counter Stan's statement that mashing different peoples together is a bad idea.

They've done great but I'd put that down to geography, resources and ideology, not diversity imo. I'm not sure it's particularly held them back much but it's made the ride a rough one.

I think it is, let's not try and pretend that other nations have never gone to civil war throughout their  history. 

The States would have likely gone to war at some point over something like state rights even if slavery wasn't involved IMO,  that's just conjecture but a possibility. 

The same could be said for us in all reality, would we have become so successful and so powerful if we weren't an Island nation that was relatively safe from attack?

Edited May 27, 2020 by Greb147

[Born Hunter 17,780]

Just now, Greb147 said:

I think it is, let's not pretend that other nations have never gone to civil war throughout history. 

The States would have likely gone to war at some point over something like state rights even if slavery wasn't involved. 

Of course other nations have had internal troubles, I'm just not convinced that even the USA (which is probably about the best example of a diverse nation) shines compared to a typical homogeneous nation.

I think tribalism is just a simple and consistently observed human trait. And I'm not even massively against diversity, like some. I'm not for it either mind.

In the last 200-250 years the USA has tried to genocide the natives, imploded over slavery, freed the slaves into a system of segregation and still now with full legal emancipation racial tensions are a major issue.

12 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

The same could be said for us in all reality, would we have become so successful and so powerful if we weren't an Island that was relatively safe from attack?

I agree entirely there! Geography was a huge factor in British dominance.

[Greb147 6,809]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Of course other nations have had internal troubles, I'm just not convinced that even the USA (which is probably about the best example of a diverse nation) shines compared to a typical homogeneous nation.

I think tribalism is just a simple and consistently observed human trait. And I'm not even massively against diversity, like some. I'm not for it either mind.

In the last 200-250 years the USA has tried to genocide the natives, imploded over slavery, freed the slaves into a system of segregation and still now with full legal emancipation racial tensions are a major issue.

I agree entirely there! Geography was a huge factor in British dominance.

That depends on how we measure things though. 

I'm not a massive fan of it either but what's happened has happened.

I'm not saying it's justified payback for our past but the facts are if we didn't raid and exploit foreign lands then we wouldn't have what some will call, a big problem with migrants. 

Like I said in an earlier post though. Divide and discrimination isn't going to improve matters it will just make them worst, that will only be harmful to all sides IMO. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Greb147

[Greb147 6,809]

I understand people's feelings on the matter but it's no good complaining if you haven't got a sensible or realistic solution. 

"Kick em all out!" is about as far as it gets, we all know that isn't going to happen so something more constructive needs voicing. 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Greb147

[low plains drifter 10,642]

19 hours ago, WILF said:

Now that we can agree on, however when were we taught to value career over family  and why ? 
It wasn’t always that way 

I hear vulnerable mothers and babies in refugee camps need a loving neighbour, and it made me think of you

You know ?

[Born Hunter 17,780]

6 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

I hear vulnerable mothers and babies in refugee camps need a loving neighbour, and it made me think of you

You know ?

Wilf, aka the people’s princess

[low plains drifter 10,642]

2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Wilf, aka the people’s princess

I've got visions of a spare room and dusted down camp beds under welcoming Irish skies

[gnasher16 30,217]

19 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

I understand people's feelings on the matter but it's no good complaining if you haven't got a sensible or realistic solution. 

"Kick em all out!" is about as far as it gets, we all know that isn't going to happen so something more constructive needs voicing. 

Reverse incentives.....simple.

Incentives are the reason people come here.....reverse them and the problem fixes itself.....pay people to leave its cheaper than keeping them here.

Again,its really not that difficult......could it work overnight of course it cant but we got ourselves into this mess.....maybe a 100% white nation isnt feasible but keeping a white majority in indigenous white homelands is absolutely achievable and fundamentally appropriate.

[WILF 47,260]

20 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

I hear vulnerable mothers and babies in refugee camps need a loving neighbour, and it made me think of you

You know ?

Can they be used as a replacement for tractors to pull machinery ? 

[low plains drifter 10,642]

8 minutes ago, WILF said:

Can they be used as a replacement for tractors to pull machinery ? 

I hear they'll walk the soles off their crocs to bring you a head mounted flagon of Guinness

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

11 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

Great, so you have to delve back 150 years to the time of the civil war as evidence it doesn't work. 

We are living in the most peaceful times in history, racial tension is better than all out war. 

That just shows how everyone can buy in to a myth, its been doing a great job you must admit? 

That's a myth though, there's been just as many if not more wars in recent times than ever it's simply the threat of total annihilation that stops all out war

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

The reason there hasn't been a race war in America is because one side is so much more powerful than the other, if it was more balanced or becomes more so in the future then Ive no doubt one would start given current feelings

[WILF 47,260]

29 minutes ago, low plains drifter said:

I hear they'll walk the soles off their crocs to bring you a head mounted flagon of Guinness

One thing I find amazing, we are always being told how friendly and kind all these countries people are and how much of a valuable contribution they make to communities and yet these poor b*****ds have to travel away from those  countries for thousands of miles, facing untold hardships and dangers to be taken care of by the horrible white c**ts !........amazing when you think about it, according to the narrative they could have just gone next door or even to the next town ?

Go figure huh !

Edited May 27, 2020 by WILF

[Astanley 11,568]

3 hours ago, Greb147 said:

The USA puts a big spanner in the works to that theory. 

I don't think it does mate ,the USA wasn't FORCED to accept different ethnicities, cultures and religions ,it encouraged it as a way of building a new nation ,once that nation was established (and I am deliberately ignoring racial tension between black white Hispanics )and liberal attitudes tried to FORCE a mass integration of members of a strange and alien religion on the population ,we have what we have now ,a country on the edge ,much like ours ,split about 50\50 with those advocating \forcing multiculturalism on a society that doesn't want it ,weren't asked about it and resent it ,stoking the fires .

The USA is not a country with a millennium of culture ,religion and ethnicity ,and shared history ,a mere 25 years of input from Islam has split its people in two .

There are a lot of countries in the West who are within 5 years of seeing civil unrest on a massive scale ,

[WILF 47,260]

25 minutes ago, Astanley said:

I don't think it does mate ,the USA wasn't FORCED to accept different ethnicities, cultures and religions ,it encouraged it as a way of building a new nation ,once that nation was established (and I am deliberately ignoring racial tension between black white Hispanics )and liberal attitudes tried to FORCE a mass integration of members of a strange and alien religion on the population ,we have what we have now ,a country on the edge ,much like ours ,split about 50\50 with those advocating \forcing multiculturalism on a society that doesn't want it ,weren't asked about it and resent it ,stoking the fires .

The USA is not a country with a millennium of culture ,religion and ethnicity ,and shared history ,a mere 25 years of input from Islam has split its people in two .

There are a lot of countries in the West who are within 5 years of seeing civil unrest on a massive scale ,

You hit the nail on the head with one sentence there mate.......we were never asked!