Lachhiman Gurung ( gurkha soldier )

[Born Hunter 17,783]

Just now, WILF said:

Mate, you are a fan of data and the data is there, wether you believe it or not we are below replacement breeding levels and have been for a while....we are dying out on our own continent.

Its a fact......FACT ! Lol 

That doesn't make us endangered! LOL

And you didn't say that was the fact. You said that "they don't belong here" was the fact. That's not so much a fact as an opinion.

[Greb147 6,809]

15 minutes ago, WILF said:

As JD said if money is the criteria (and it is)  and is valued over race and culture then fine......however if you subscribe to the idea that we are an endangered species on our own continent (and we are !) then it don’t matter who they are, we don’t need another nail in our coffin however “nice” these people may be.

I have met quiet a few Gurkhas, one estate I used to hunt had them as the owners private security and they were top blokes to a man......but they don’t belong here and that’s a fact. 

Colonialism is a bitch!

[twobob 1,497]

11 hours ago, JDHUNTING said:

Two wrongs don't make a right do they. There mercenaries, I'm very grateful for their contribution but they have been paid for that. I'm not totally against Gurkhas living here or anything I just don't see why they should be automatically granted the right to do so. It's emotional crap arguments like this thats filled us to the brim with every Tom dick and Abdul. Oh they work in the NHS-citizenship, we kidnapped them from their homeland and made them pick cotton-citizenship, we bombed their house in timbuktu-citizenship. Let the Gurkhas live in Nepal I'll thank them monthly with my income tax no need to move them in next door.

Dig a bit deeper they where underpaid for fcucking years and most of them do return to nepal

[Born Hunter 17,783]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

Colonialism is a bitch!

I dunno quite how far you personally take that statement mate. But for those who believe that we have an obligation to take back or it's karma for our years of imperialism and colonialism then I think that's nonsense too. You don't hold the son accountable for the actions of the father. 

[king 11,976]

If I had a choice of 1000 gurkhas living in the UK or 1000 Africans coming in a dinghy.

I know who I would rather here.

[Greb147 6,809]

4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I dunno quite how far you personally take that statement mate. But for those who believe that we have an obligation to take back or it's karma for our years of imperialism and colonialism then I think that's nonsense too. You don't hold the son accountable for the actions of the father. 

That wasn't my point, it's not about payback for our past but it's an acceptance of a trade off. 

We exploited lands that didn't ask to be exploited for our benefit alone, I think allowing citizenship to these and other people is nothing compared to all the great benefits we gained out of colonialism. 

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Greb147

[WILF 47,321]

13 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

That doesn't make us endangered! LOL

And you didn't say that was the fact. You said that "they don't belong here" was the fact. That's not so much a fact as an opinion.

If you are not breeding at replacement level mate, what does that make you if not dying out ? 
As far as I know, if I’m earning a £1 and spending £3 at some point my account will be empty.....there will be no more left.

By all means correct me if I have missed something.......I know you will anyway ! Lol 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

10 minutes ago, twobob said:

Dig a bit deeper they where underpaid for fcucking years and most of them do return to nepal

How do you underpay a mercenary? Did we tell them we would pay them X amount then didn't? No they knew the price and accepted it, then a load of hand wringers got involved and they now cost the same as a British soldier with the added kicker of extra migration to our already over populated little island. The result being they are now being considered for the chop from our forces so lose lose for both sides

[Born Hunter 17,783]

Just now, Greb147 said:

That wasn't my point, it's not about payback for our past but it's an acceptance of a trade off. 

We exploited lands that didn't ask to be exploited for our benefit alone, I think allowing citizenship to these and other people is nothing compared to all the great benefits we gained out of colonialism. 

 

Yeah, I don't agree with that. That's asking the son to pay for the crimes of the father. It's just a case of honour and tradition for me. These guys are a traditional, historical and valued regiment of the British Army. I truly believe that they're a part of British identity. It's fine to say they should just be paid and go home.... that's one view. But I don't share it.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

10 minutes ago, king said:

If I had a choice of 1000 gurkhas living in the UK or 1000 Africans coming in a dinghy.

I know who I would rather here.

You dont have a choice though and you will get both

[Greb147 6,809]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Yeah, I don't agree with that. That's asking the son to pay for the crimes of the father. It's just a case of honour and tradition for me. These guys are a traditional, historical and valued regiment of the British Army. I truly believe that they're a part of British identity. It's fine to say they should just be paid and go home.... that's one view. But I don't share it.

You're not paying back for a crime though, this is amicable for both parties. 

Those soldiers have done more for our country than most of us, if they want to reside here then good luck to them I say. 

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

8 minutes ago, Greb147 said:

That wasn't my point, it's not about payback for our past but it's an acceptance of a trade off. 

We exploited lands that didn't ask to be exploited for our benefit alone, I think allowing citizenship to these and other people is nothing compared to all the great benefits we gained out of colonialism. 

 

What benefit did 99% of the population get from colonialism then? The height of the British empire was 1900-1920 my great great grandfather lived in that period, he worked on the pit head from 5-11 years old underground from 12-18 and got shot on some forgotten hill in turkey at 19 protecting the "empire" (along with a load of Gurkhas funnily enough). All the "empire" did was line the pockets of the already rich and all the normal people have suffered for it ever since.

[Born Hunter 17,783]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

If you are not breeding at replacement level mate, what does that make you if not dying out ? 
As far as I know, if I’m earning a £1 and spending £3 at some point my account will be empty.....there will be no more left.

By all means correct me if I have missed something.......I know you will anyway ! Lol 

Is that the definition of endangered?

Last I looked native European populations was stable due to ageing with reproductive rates indeed below 1:1. The definition of an endangered species is one that is at serious risk of extinction. I don't want to get into semantic arguments of race and species but if our population is at an all time high then unless we're all sterile I don't think we're quite endangered yet!

Frankly I think it's brilliant that reproductive rates drop in civilised societies. Just a shame at the same time we developed a soft and self destructive attitude to the 3rd world.

[Born Hunter 17,783]

1 minute ago, Greb147 said:

You're not paying back for a crime though, this is amicable for both parties. 

Those soldiers have done more for our country than most of us, if they want to reside here then good luck to them I say. 

So why mention colonialism? I just don't think colonialism has anything to do with it other that a mention in the history books.

[Greb147 6,809]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

So why mention colonialism? I just don't think colonialism has anything to do with it other that a mention in the history books.

Because we would never have interacted with them in the first place if it wasn't for colonialism. 

Of course we are not obliged to let them live here but I think it's an acceptable trade-off for their services.