Plod hut up for sale

[Meece 1,957]

In the news Kent plod HQ is up for sale.!!!  They are being moved out to different stations.  Maidstone is the central county town of Kent.  Ashford used to be a big station but it is virtually non existent now.  It doesn't seem many years ago that villages had police houses and the local plod used to come out for fac/Sgt inspections.  There were local stations ....with cells and their own petrol pumps.  All gone.  Then the bigger stations like Ashford were reduced to basically a counter. Now the HQ ??  Could the pushbike be the new patrol vehicle for the future.? Will the plod have to supply their own trouser clips though.? The other year there was an incident near me where a woman was being threatened and it took plod about an hour just to turn up.  They didn't do anything for another hour until another unit turned up and eventually the bloke got bored of it all and surrendered. .  It could take several days now. There was a car accident and eventually plod was wandering about sort of lost. A local informed them that the ambulance had been and gone with the casualties.  The recovery had taken the motors away and the brigade had swept the Glass up.! All gone.

[Pirate 9000 676]

Be a good buy for the RSPCA we all know how they like pretending they are the police.

[Qbgrey 4,096]

Shame that,prob be flats for able body young men with 4 kids no job。。street names.dinlo close,delinquent rd,jobless ave,tax payers nightmare cul de sack

[Nicepix 5,650]

8 hours ago, Meece said:

In the news Kent plod HQ is up for sale.!!!  They are being moved out to different stations.  Maidstone is the central county town of Kent.  Ashford used to be a big station but it is virtually non existent now.  It doesn't seem many years ago that villages had police houses and the local plod used to come out for fac/Sgt inspections.  There were local stations ....with cells and their own petrol pumps.  All gone.  Then the bigger stations like Ashford were reduced to basically a counter. Now the HQ ??  Could the pushbike be the new patrol vehicle for the future.? Will the plod have to supply their own trouser clips though.? The other year there was an incident near me where a woman was being threatened and it took plod about an hour just to turn up.  They didn't do anything for another hour until another unit turned up and eventually the bloke got bored of it all and surrendered. .  It could take several days now. There was a car accident and eventually plod was wandering about sort of lost. A local informed them that the ambulance had been and gone with the casualties.  The recovery had taken the motors away and the brigade had swept the Glass up.! All gone.

Nothing new there mate. Police management is a constant cycle of returning to a position where they moved from a few years before. A continual merry-go-round and they will be using reasons to make the move that were dismissed as nonsense when they first mooted centralising everything. The police are constantly advancing - to the positions they advance from a few years before. £ millions are wasted every year changing buildings and rooms only to be put back again  a couple of years later.

Just before I retired we had a Ch. Inspector and a Superintendent both pushing for promotion. The Ch. Insp came up with a plan to move all the beat officers out to the local stations that they had been centralised from three or four years before. He didn't put any provisions in place for these stations to be put back into use, it was just a project that he could brag about as being a success in his next promotion board. Meanwhile the Superintendent came up with a policy where we all had to give witnesses and complainants  a direct line phone number to an office where we could be contacted instead of them going through the Force Switchboard. That number was the briefing room at the police station that we had all been moved out of

And yes, they both got promoted.

[Meece 1,957]

2 hours ago, Nicepix said:

Nothing new there mate. Police management is a constant cycle of returning to a position where they moved from a few years before. A continual merry-go-round and they will be using reasons to make the move that were dismissed as nonsense when they first mooted centralising everything. The police are constantly advancing - to the positions they advance from a few years before. £ millions are wasted every year changing buildings and rooms only to be put back again  a couple of years later.

Just before I retired we had a Ch. Inspector and a Superintendent both pushing for promotion. The Ch. Insp came up with a plan to move all the beat officers out to the local stations that they had been centralised from three or four years before. He didn't put any provisions in place for these stations to be put back into use, it was just a project that he could brag about as being a success in his next promotion board. Meanwhile the Superintendent came up with a policy where we all had to give witnesses and complainants  a direct line phone number to an office where we could be contacted instead of them going through the Force Switchboard. That number was the briefing room at the police station that we had all been moved out of

And yes, they both got promoted.

It is a situation that is crazy and out of control it must be very demoralizing for the base oficer who has to jump through a continual series of hoops and rules to go nowhere. I knew a girl who worked out back on criminal bank dealings and laundered money stuff and it was important  work  but that was scraped and a bloke who was an engineer keeping stuff going and systems working. Naah scrapped.  Everything either skipped or dissapeared and the senior officers were some of the worst.  Got a problem ?  Who you gonna call;  ghost busters.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Meece

[Nicepix 5,650]

40 minutes ago, Meece said:

It is a situation that is crazy and out of control it must be very demoralizing for the base oficer who has to jump through a continual series of hoops and rules to go nowhere. I knew a girl who worked out back on criminal bank dealings and laundered money stuff and it was important  work  but that was scraped and a bloke who was an engineer keeping stuff going and systems working. Naah scrapped.  Everything either skipped or dissapeared and the senior officers were some of the worst.  Got a problem ?  Who you gonna call;  ghost busters.

I was banging my head against a brick wall for years. £ hundreds of millions were wasted on Blunkett's program of Neighbourhood Policing. When we were called into a meeting to be informed of the exciting new measures that were going to take place I stuck my head above the parapet and listed at least 6 reasons why it was ill thought out and would fail. Of course my thoughts were dismissed out of hand. Ten years and £ millions later they have abandoned the scheme for exactly the reasons I outlined at the meeting. But in the early days, even though we could see through the smoke and mirrors, they championed it as a success and many useless people got promoted on the back of the claimed successes. Of course nobody is now going to make them go back to their old ranks or hold them accountable for the failures. It is just airbrushed out of the history books.

Similarly, centralising the call handling and command and control systems was carried out at a much greater cost than envisaged and it failed for all the reasons we outlined when it was proposed. Now they are putting it back to where it was when I started in the 1980's. Same with the Dog Section. Somebody came up with the idea of breeding our own. Despite a strong argument against it, they decided to throw £ hundreds of thousands at a project that never, ever succeeded. But the Chief Inspector got promoted on the strength of his claimed success and the happy publicity it generated in local papers.

During my time there were two proposals that were supposed to be implemented. One was to abolish the ranks of Chief Inspector and Chief Superintendent.There are now more of these than before the proposals. The other was to merge police forces and just have one Chief Constable to run two or three forces. They partly succeeded in that they merged many of the departments such as dogs, firearms, training and the like to reduce their numbers. But they never got around to reducing the number of Chief Constables which remained the same. 

The thing is, now I talk to retired teachers, firemen and health workers and it seems that this chaotic self-serving management is rife in the public sector.

[Meece 1,957]

9 hours ago, Nicepix said:

I was banging my head against a brick wall for years. £ hundreds of millions were wasted on Blunkett's program of Neighbourhood Policing. When we were called into a meeting to be informed of the exciting new measures that were going to take place I stuck my head above the parapet and listed at least 6 reasons why it was ill thought out and would fail. Of course my thoughts were dismissed out of hand. Ten years and £ millions later they have abandoned the scheme for exactly the reasons I outlined at the meeting. But in the early days, even though we could see through the smoke and mirrors, they championed it as a success and many useless people got promoted on the back of the claimed successes. Of course nobody is now going to make them go back to their old ranks or hold them accountable for the failures. It is just airbrushed out of the history books.

Similarly, centralising the call handling and command and control systems was carried out at a much greater cost than envisaged and it failed for all the reasons we outlined when it was proposed. Now they are putting it back to where it was when I started in the 1980's. Same with the Dog Section. Somebody came up with the idea of breeding our own. Despite a strong argument against it, they decided to throw £ hundreds of thousands at a project that never, ever succeeded. But the Chief Inspector got promoted on the strength of his claimed success and the happy publicity it generated in local papers.

During my time there were two proposals that were supposed to be implemented. One was to abolish the ranks of Chief Inspector and Chief Superintendent.There are now more of these than before the proposals. The other was to merge police forces and just have one Chief Constable to run two or three forces. They partly succeeded in that they merged many of the departments such as dogs, firearms, training and the like to reduce their numbers. But they never got around to reducing the number of Chief Constables which remained the same. 

The thing is, now I talk to retired teachers, firemen and health workers and it seems that this chaotic self-serving management is rife in the public sector.

Coronà may force change because the deeper we go into debt the tighter the control and the sharper the axe. What I  can't get my head around is considering how penny pinching the treasury can be how stuff like this is not controlled.   Is David Icke the messiah.?  If he didn't talk stupid stuff about lizards he would be a damned sight more believed.  Cashless  society.? yep we're nearly there everything is swipe, tap or online. No one want to touch cash. My mate who worked as a civil loan engineer for the home office told me that every year there was lorry loads of brooms,  shovels, wet weather gear, torches, wellie boots delivered to plod  HQ and by the spring none of it was there anymore.!  All lost, wrecked or missing whilst on patrol. Still, the messiah. .. David Icke has stated that money doesn't exist. It's just an idea promoted by the circle to lure the masses into the mire and waste their endeavours to the advantage to those in the circle.  Conspiracy or the truth. ..???  Still the press hounds are "CALLING FOR" the head of Dominic Cummings. And are off baying into the distance after a decoy diversion.   Someone ought to be down there kicking their arses for acting like a pack.  Is there a plod insight.? Naahh.  That thing the other day about Jerremy Corbins brother,  Plod were shoulder to shoulder without any  masks or anything. And all they were doing was holding up banners about protesting. Total madness, all of it.  If I were to be cynical I could say the UK population is in the region of 66 million so how many could be lost without reducing the country to stall. When a monster asteroid is coming we will find out who the circle are by the ones on the rocket out of here.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

10 hours ago, Nicepix said:

I was banging my head against a brick wall for years. £ hundreds of millions were wasted on Blunkett's program of Neighbourhood Policing. When we were called into a meeting to be informed of the exciting new measures that were going to take place I stuck my head above the parapet and listed at least 6 reasons why it was ill thought out and would fail. Of course my thoughts were dismissed out of hand. Ten years and £ millions later they have abandoned the scheme for exactly the reasons I outlined at the meeting. But in the early days, even though we could see through the smoke and mirrors, they championed it as a success and many useless people got promoted on the back of the claimed successes. Of course nobody is now going to make them go back to their old ranks or hold them accountable for the failures. It is just airbrushed out of the history books.

Similarly, centralising the call handling and command and control systems was carried out at a much greater cost than envisaged and it failed for all the reasons we outlined when it was proposed. Now they are putting it back to where it was when I started in the 1980's. Same with the Dog Section. Somebody came up with the idea of breeding our own. Despite a strong argument against it, they decided to throw £ hundreds of thousands at a project that never, ever succeeded. But the Chief Inspector got promoted on the strength of his claimed success and the happy publicity it generated in local papers.

During my time there were two proposals that were supposed to be implemented. One was to abolish the ranks of Chief Inspector and Chief Superintendent.There are now more of these than before the proposals. The other was to merge police forces and just have one Chief Constable to run two or three forces. They partly succeeded in that they merged many of the departments such as dogs, firearms, training and the like to reduce their numbers. But they never got around to reducing the number of Chief Constables which remained the same. 

The thing is, now I talk to retired teachers, firemen and health workers and it seems that this chaotic self-serving management is rife in the public sector.

You must've been CID with your investigation work with that last sentence. Everyone else worked that out for themselves when they got out of nappies

[tilimangro 1,013]

16 hours ago, Nicepix said:

Nothing new there mate. Police management is a constant cycle of returning to a position where they moved from a few years before. A continual merry-go-round and they will be using reasons to make the move that were dismissed as nonsense when they first mooted centralising everything. The police are constantly advancing - to the positions they advance from a few years before. £ millions are wasted every year changing buildings and rooms only to be put back again  a couple of years later.

Just before I retired we had a Ch. Inspector and a Superintendent both pushing for promotion. The Ch. Insp came up with a plan to move all the beat officers out to the local stations that they had been centralised from three or four years before. He didn't put any provisions in place for these stations to be put back into use, it was just a project that he could brag about as being a success in his next promotion board. Meanwhile the Superintendent came up with a policy where we all had to give witnesses and complainants  a direct line phone number to an office where we could be contacted instead of them going through the Force Switchboard. That number was the briefing room at the police station that we had all been moved out of

And yes, they both got promoted.

I have heard exactly this time and time again from police and ex police

its mental how it just seems to carry on unquestioned 

[Nicepix 5,650]

7 hours ago, tilimangro said:

I have heard exactly this time and time again from police and ex police

its mental how it just seems to carry on unquestioned 

In a word; Nepotism. The same clowns promote other clowns because they are scared to promote somebody who will show them up for what they are. I never attempted to get promoted so I never tried to climb the slippery pole. My dream job was in the dog section and so I went all out for that.

[WILF 47,058]

There has been a sustained attack on the police since the Brixton riots, that attack got a shot of steroids from Doreen Lawrence......she was allowed to brand the whole institution as racist and nobody said a word about it.

That, imho, was a turning point......the then Labour Party helped in no small measure by tabloid papers were allowed to brand the whole force as corrupt racists and they re-engineered the whole criminal justice system on Lawrence’s say so pretty much.

The police at that point ceased to be the police, it politicised them and opened the door for “right on” career types to be valued way above they ability to deal with b*****ds ! 
 

I have seen first hand and up close the police in action and yes they are b*****ds but then again they are dealing with b*****ds.......it’s takes horrible c**ts to deal with horrible c**ts, nobody was crying foul back in the late 70s and early 80s, you did your things and swallowed your medicine.

When an absolute scumbag like Winston Silcott can get paid out a hundred grand while sitting in prison then something is broken.......hundred grand?.....they should have let the old mufty squad beat the c**t to death in his cell ! 
 

Bad times we are living in politically speaking 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

On 24/05/2020 at 09:55, Nicepix said:

The thing is, now I talk to retired teachers, firemen and health workers and it seems that this chaotic self-serving management is rife in the public sector.

Private sector too but they tend to get sh*t-canned instead of promoted. I've dealt with pretty much everything you've outlined and we're just a small satellite office in an international corporation. The sentiment that rank holds knowledge has always cost them money but for some reason they all refuse to listen to the people that actually have to do the job.

[gnasher16 30,135]

7 hours ago, WILF said:

There has been a sustained attack on the police since the Brixton riots, that attack got a shot of steroids from Doreen Lawrence......she was allowed to brand the whole institution as racist and nobody said a word about it.

That, imho, was a turning point......the then Labour Party helped in no small measure by tabloid papers were allowed to brand the whole force as corrupt racists and they re-engineered the whole criminal justice system on Lawrence’s say so pretty much.

The police at that point ceased to be the police, it politicised them and opened the door for “right on” career types to be valued way above they ability to deal with b*****ds ! 
 

I have seen first hand and up close the police in action and yes they are b*****ds but then again they are dealing with b*****ds.......it’s takes horrible c**ts to deal with horrible c**ts, nobody was crying foul back in the late 70s and early 80s, you did your things and swallowed your medicine.

When an absolute scumbag like Winston Silcott can get paid out a hundred grand while sitting in prison then something is broken.......hundred grand?.....they should have let the old mufty squad beat the c**t to death in his cell ! 
 

Bad times we are living in politically speaking 

Black people using the colour of their skin instead of the content of their character to get their own way in life......no i dont believe you !

[WILF 47,058]

56 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Private sector too but they tend to get sh*t-canned instead of promoted. I've dealt with pretty much everything you've outlined and we're just a small satellite office in an international corporation. The sentiment that rank holds knowledge has always cost them money but for some reason they all refuse to listen to the people that actually have to do the job.

Mate, the old bill themselves employed the bloke I mentioned above to run a community centre !!......2 years later he was getting nicked again for theft.

An absolute low life piece of shit and the old bill employ him !!......how do you expect good sense from senior coppers when they are pulling those stunts !

Nah mate, it tells you all you need to know.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

12 minutes ago, WILF said:

how do you expect good sense from senior coppers when they are pulling those stunts !

Agreed but as we're discussing on the other thread that's running there's a lot of 'do as I say don't do as I do' and at best it's terrible PR and at the worst when it comes from people at a level that defines national policy. At the private level the harm costs money that effects few. It's usually rooted out. At the public level it's rewarded and can endanger an entire population.

To me, at least, it warrants the reduction in size of 'the public' because of this. I mean if you don't trust your government, why would you want to make it bigger?