HMR and WMR cleaning

[si brown 8,486]

13 hours ago, philpot said:

Yes I think it is unburnt powder. I fitted a Wildcat Panther mod partly because it is easy to clean and interestingly while shooting with my pal today who has a Sak mod and side by side mine is now quieter.

Federal, bugger thats the one, getting mixed up, senior moment, but still don't know where the hell to find them.

Phil

York guns Phil... over bridge turn left
his prices are good as well, a lot cheaper than my locals and they stock loads 

[philpot 5,035]

20 minutes ago, si brown said:

York guns Phil... over bridge turn left
his prices are good as well, a lot cheaper than my locals and they stock loads 

Cheer Si, I will give them a shout if they are open.

Phil

[Sausagedog 7,381]

2 hours ago, Deker said:

Dirty or not, the vast majority of HMR and WMR are Copper coated, and whilst not as fast (hot), on the whole as most centrefires, they will leave deposits inside the barrel.

I cut my teeth in a Competitive target environment and almost certainly clean my guns more than most.     Despite comments to the contrary, destroying a barrel by cleaning to much is almost impossible, cleaning badly/improperly, may well cause issues!   I have cleaned barrels for my entire life, ALL my rifles shoot true and straight and do so immediately after a clean as well.

There are varying views on cleaning, clean all the time, never clean or clean if the groups enlarge.

I guess it comes down to the individual/calibre/ammunition/usage/etc.

Accuracy is pretty much top of the requirements for a gun of any sort, so if its accurate then you takes your choice about cleaning. 

 

 

Good to hear from you Delete. Where you been?

Cleaning often is fine, however, miss use of rods can result in damage to the bore and throat or the crown. 

The risk can occur by someone rushing the process wrongly believing in a state of panic nearly that they must get it done before they retire for the night and bodging the job with a dodgy steel rod.

 

You are right about the copper alloys from jackets but my findings for wmr that due to the lower velocity and pressure they don't seem to copper the bore like say a hornet or larger will. It certainly takes longer than a center fire for certain in my barrel. Don't know about hmr. I use traps

[Dervburner 2,549]

1 hour ago, Sausagedog said:

Good to hear from you Delete. Where you been?

Cleaning often is fine, however, miss use of rods can result in damage to the bore and throat or the crown. 

The risk can occur by someone rushing the process wrongly believing in a state of panic nearly that they must get it done before they retire for the night and bodging the job with a dodgy steel rod.

 

You are right about the copper alloys from jackets but my findings for wmr that due to the lower velocity and pressure they don't seem to copper the bore like say a hornet or larger will. It certainly takes longer than a center fire for certain in my barrel. Don't know about hmr. I use traps

The tiny .17 bore and rifling would seem more delicate and prone to damage from too much over zealous rodding . Just my opinion, but then, wtf do I know.........I can only relay my own experience.

[airbourne 128]

Had my 17 hmr for 10 years and only clean the barrel a couple of times a year, when I get in from shooting on the cold winter months I put it in front of the log burner to dry it out then before I put it in the cabinet give it a wipe over with a oily rag, I keep thinking of buying a new one but it never lets me down so it will still be with until it  does

[Sausagedog 7,381]

Maybe one day I will try a 17 hmr. I sometimes think it would be better for me than the LR. 

How flat are they over 150yds and how are they in wind really?

Anyone use the 20g ammo?

[Deker 3,478]

18 hours ago, Dervburner said:

The tiny .17 bore and rifling would seem more delicate and prone to damage from too much over zealous rodding . Just my opinion, but then, wtf do I know.........I can only relay my own experience.

As I rather think both myself and Sausagedog implied cleaning is unlikely to cause any problem.

Cleaning improperly/badly/over zealous rodding/etc may well cause damage.     I totally accept the tiny HMR bore is difficult and must be treated with great respect when cleaning or damage may well occur.

[Deker 3,478]

19 hours ago, Sausagedog said:

Good to hear from you Delete. Where you been?

Cleaning often is fine, however, miss use of rods can result in damage to the bore and throat or the crown. 

The risk can occur by someone rushing the process wrongly believing in a state of panic nearly that they must get it done before they retire for the night and bodging the job with a dodgy steel rod.

 

You are right about the copper alloys from jackets but my findings for wmr that due to the lower velocity and pressure they don't seem to copper the bore like say a hornet or larger will. It certainly takes longer than a center fire for certain in my barrel. Don't know about hmr. I use traps

Agreed, the Copper deposits are there but certainly not as bad as they are in Centrefire, not as fast/hot as I said.

I've actually been really busy with work, then taking the opportunity to do some decorating and loads of gardening.

I am apparently a Key worker (Pest Control and H.A.D. Team for the Police) and lots of work, the fox cubs are all showing up in peoples back gardens now so lots of calls about them, etc, etc!

ATB!  

[Sausagedog 7,381]

1 minute ago, Deker said:

Agreed, the Copper deposits are there but certainly not as bad as they are in Centrefire, not as fast/hot as I said.

I've actually been really busy with work, then taking the opportunity to do some decorating and loads of gardening.

I am apparently a Key worker (Pest Control and H.A.D. Team for the Police) and lots of work, the fox cubs are all showing up in peoples back gardens now so lots of calls about them, etc, etc!

ATB!  

Good for you buddy .

Take care.

[Deker 3,478]

29 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

Maybe one day I will try a 17 hmr. I sometimes think it would be better for me than the LR. 

How flat are they over 150yds and how are they in wind really?

Anyone use the 20g ammo?

I have .22LR, HMR and WMR, and several CF etc!

For me they ALL have a place, there is no doubt there are areas of overlap, sometimes big overlap, but each comes into its own at times.

Personally I'm easy with the HMR out to 150 yards, maybe a tiny bit more but this will generally be the exception for me, more like 100-120 yards which I'm very comfortable with.    Out to about 100 yards the 17g V-Max HMR flies flatter but very similar to a 30g WMR V-Max, the WMR then drops off a bit faster.

The HMR has a bad reputation in the wind, but despite this it is BETTER than .22LR, and that doesn't seem to get any bad press when the wind gets up.   From experience I've found it can easily shift 4 inches at 100 yards in crosswind, so you have to read the situation, but you have to read the situation with any calibre.

I certainly favour the 17g V-Max ammo, that takes care of everything I need the HMR for, I have found the 20g HMR (despite the fact some 20g has a tiny hollow point) can easily punch clean through a fox/etc and not deliver the stopping terminal effect of 17g V-Max!

Edited May 16, 2020 by Deker

[Sausagedog 7,381]

5 minutes ago, Deker said:

I have .22LR, HMR and WMR, and several CF etc!

For me they ALL have a place, there is no doubt there are areas of overlap, sometimes big overlap, but each comes into its own at times.

Personally I'm easy with the HMR out to 150 yards, maybe a tiny bit more but this will generally be the exception for me, more like 100-120 yards which I'm very comfortable with.    Out to about 100 yards the 17g V-Max HMR flies flatter but very similar to a 30g WMR V-Max, the WMR then drops off a bit faster.

The HMR has a bad reputation in the wind, but despite this it is BETTER than .22LR, and that doesn't seem to get any bad press when the wind gets up.   From experience I've found it can easily shift 4 inches at 100 yards in crosswind, so you have to read the situation, but you have to read the situation with any calibre.

I certainly favour the 17g V-Max ammo, that takes care of everything I need the HMR for, I have found the 20g HMR (despite the fact some 20g has a tiny hollow point) can easily punch clean through a fox/etc and not deliver the stopping terminal effect of 17g V-Max!

Thanks for that Decker. Maybe I should give it some more consideration.

[Deker 3,478]

2 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

Thanks for that Decker. Maybe I should give it some more consideration.

One thing of course, sub sonic (Quiet) HMR doesn't exist as far as I'm aware, sort of defeats the point anyway, so a straight trade of a .22LR for a HMR will leave you with noisy all the time!

[Sausagedog 7,381]

6 minutes ago, Deker said:

One thing of course, sub sonic (Quiet) HMR doesn't exist as far as I'm aware, sort of defeats the point anyway, so a straight trade of a .22LR for a HMR will leave you with noisy all the time!

No mod on my 22 at the moment and I only use HV ammo.

[philpot 5,035]

Okay taking into account the different things said about cleaning these two calibres, have you any thoughts, bearing in mind the points about delicate tubes, do any of you use a bore snake in preference to rod and brushes.

Phil

[Sausagedog 7,381]

I don't Phil. I just have Parker Hale rods and brass jags. Hopped #9 (hate the stuff) and Forrest foam.