Scouser - Coursing Dog

[juckler123 707]

19 minutes ago, poxon said:

I’m not in to breeding as a rule only when I need something My self but when you need a pup for future that’s what you have to think about not just the here an now but saying that if a bitch breaks down during the season your not going to run her any way unless you run in season bitches you only have to worry about a f1 at the beginning because your establishing type from that first f1 you can pretty much go in any direction you want what you cross them with always remembering your breeding for type ie good worker that looks predominately bedlington bred in appearance my self was f1 x line bred racey collie x the line had run out of base blood steam in my eyes although the bitch was good I think back to a relative wouldn’t of produced any thing for me my bitch I bred from was that over bred she was pretty much near on sight hound she was the closest thing to a working greyhound out there the pups were put out to homes the best bitch out that was bred back to a similar bred type dog of the type next generation will be a straight sight hound. Mate I’m of similar thinking about lurcher to hound dive in an out of racey bred to base Blood Lurchers never keep breeding Base blood lurcher to base blood lurcher they go to scatter bred an cloddy to be of much use to most man 

this is our attempt at type bred bedlington hybrids seems to be working in the direction we’re aiming for so far

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by juckler123

[juckler123 707]

15 minutes ago, poxon said:

I’m not in to breeding as a rule only when I need something My self but when you need a pup for future that’s what you have to think about not just the here an now but saying that if a bitch breaks down during the season your not going to run her any way unless you run in season bitches you only have to worry about a f1 at the beginning because your establishing type from that first f1 you can pretty much go in any direction you want what you cross them with always remembering your breeding for type ie good worker that looks predominately bedlington bred in appearance my self was f1 x line bred racey collie x the line had run out of base blood steam in my eyes although the bitch was good I think back to a relative wouldn’t of produced any thing for me my bitch I bred from was that over bred she was pretty much near on sight hound she was the closest thing to a working greyhound out there the pups were put out to homes the best bitch out that was bred back to a similar bred type dog of the type next generation will be a straight sight hound. Mate I’m of similar thinking about lurcher to hound dive in an out of racey bred to base Blood Lurchers never keep breeding Base blood lurcher to base blood lurcher they go to scatter bred an cloddy to be of much use to most man 

this is our attempt at type bred bedlington hybrids seems to be working in the direction we’re aiming for so far

 

Get it over a Saluki

[dodger 2,751]

19 hours ago, CA$H 91 said:

My bitch is direct out of him and no a lot of men with dogs out of him he produces to good 

Picture of a bitch looks immaculate..

[juckler123 707]

33 minutes ago, poxon said:

I’m not in to breeding as a rule only when I need something My self but when you need a pup for future that’s what you have to think about not just the here an now but saying that if a bitch breaks down during the season your not going to run her any way unless you run in season bitches you only have to worry about a f1 at the beginning because your establishing type from that first f1 you can pretty much go in any direction you want what you cross them with always remembering your breeding for type ie good worker that looks predominately bedlington bred in appearance my self was f1 x line bred racey collie x the line had run out of base blood steam in my eyes although the bitch was good I think back to a relative wouldn’t of produced any thing for me my bitch I bred from was that over bred she was pretty much near on sight hound she was the closest thing to a working greyhound out there the pups were put out to homes the best bitch out that was bred back to a similar bred type dog of the type next generation will be a straight sight hound. Mate I’m of similar thinking about lurcher to hound dive in an out of racey bred to base Blood Lurchers never keep breeding Base blood lurcher to base blood lurcher they go to scatter bred an cloddy to be of much use to most man 

this is our attempt at type bred bedlington hybrids seems to be working in the direction we’re aiming for so far

 

This thread was about Scouser I doubt your strain has three or four minutes in it depending on ground whether clay or slop pal but I see a hound that can feed a street and fill a bag so no disrespect to you and yours 

Nothing wrong with that but could it run six plus minutes on puss ??

Dogs that can run over that and are up to their elbows whilst the hares are running the top of the ground are one in a million imho

If you have that treasure it's very very special

Edited May 15, 2020 by juckler123

[juckler123 707]

[poxon 5,718]

5 minutes ago, juckler123 said:

Get it over a Saluki

A few people lately have said they’d like to see a beddy hybrid x saluki type 

this bitch is only young she’s only 11months old she self entered at 9 months an hasn’t looked back so far but I’d like to keep to the beddy type for as long as I can if that involves line breeding close breeding an type breeding that’s what I’ll do till the bedlington type runs out of steam If I can no longer find decent bedlington type to put back in then I’ll look at other avenues 

[juckler123 707]

And that's a pure doing eight minutes on clay pre ban of course

[Greb147 6,809]

6 minutes ago, juckler123 said:

And that's a pure doing eight minutes on clay pre ban of course

I've always wondered does an eight minute run take more stamina out of a pure than a two minute run on a more up and at em type be that saluki based or not. 

[juckler123 707]

Bless you pal I hear you I kept line bred for years just collie x deerhound grey Saluki X's till I lost the line and went onto the pures I haven't looked back though it hurt what I lost am getting old now so what I require in a runner has altered also I like what I see in yours pal and one thing I've noticed in fifty years of running dogs is don't go to greyhound or greyhound whippet or you will go backwards the coursing dogs and the working salukis are line bred best to best that's where I would go next it works bud seen it many times but it's the man behind the lead that makes the greatest difference better to gift a pup to the right home than sell one on

Hope your strain goes from strength to strength don't dismiss coursing blood or Saluki blood they are very biddable and with having a beddy x you know the preydrive routine I would imagine

[jackthelad 1,892]

23 minutes ago, dodger said:

Picture of a bitch looks immaculate..

doesnt look to happy about being baldy

[juckler123 707]

It's the ground pal pure and simple I have had dogs that could kill in the first few turns on sand and firm going but on clay or Blackland could not speak to the lads that's done it they tell you the same

That bitch could kill in the smallest of fields without blowing no worries that hare was Mr Right we all meet them no matter what you have

She looked like she was going to jack at six minutes but second wind came in and she reeled him in only ever had three good dogs in many years on hare she was the best

[poxon 5,718]

14 minutes ago, juckler123 said:

This thread was about Scouser I doubt your strain has three or four minutes in it depending on ground whether clay or slop pal but I see a hound that can feed a street and fill a bag so no disrespect to you and yours 

Nothing wrong with that but could it run six plus minutes on puss ??

Dogs that can run over that and are up to their elbows whilst the hares are running the top of the ground are one in a million imho

If you have that treasure it as it's very very special

No disrespect taken fellaIn honesty probably not mate but there capable of taking the odd un for the pot I know this as fact there not competition dogs by any means at all just pot filling types masters of none that will have a crack of what’s in front of them 

yeah gone just a bit off track fella no scouser blood in these dogs At all there is saluki greyhound in them on the fathers side at the beginning but it’s probably bred out by now an wouldn’t be able to find out what saluki blood it was 

 

[juckler123 707]

Was in there at the start don't neglect that I find most lurchers don't have the preydrive I require nor the hunting ability that makes for a quality walk out to be fair I lost a lot when I lost my old lurcher line and it was an old coursing line but used for a purpose not just coursing

This Scouser dog has the best of breeding in him I like the pures myself as I believe the lurcher lads missed the bus and are just breeding what will be an English Saluki at the end of the day one I probably won't get to see but for the best of blood today for what they are bred for Scouser and his offspring will take some beating imho  

Edited May 15, 2020 by juckler123

[Bosun11 537]

1 hour ago, juckler123 said:

I'd say that Scouser is worth the money but the yapping would bother me

A lot of the line do it especially from buddy but it's the want in them and many pack in giving tongue with age and experience which doesn't take much sorting..

Correct entering and early success takes that out of the equation..

He's bred right for sure and been seen out by a good few lads and produced the goods 

What MC Hull said is spot on

And what bearfoot said too they are alright till they drop on a monster then and only then you know what you have

That's the true test of a coursing dog

If it goes six minutes or more most will break down and it's all about running the best of hares on the hardest of ground which type of ground  makes a huge difference it's   not about numbers as most hares don't have more than three minutes in them on normal ground they get took out  ATB 

 

Cheers for that Juckler

[dodger 2,751]

Interesting fact I had a pure saluki and a lurcher at one point and even tho the saluki was a decent dog for a pure she couldn't touch the lurcher on stamina.