CHANNLE 4

[Guest Lord B]

Iam in support of the proposed ban to be implemented in five years , battery chickens is not ethical neither are Broiler chickens ready to eat in 34 days.I dont give a flying feck about organic ..But what I will be concerned about is the farmers,,Battery chickens and Broiler raised chicken imports must be banned as well, to support our own poultry producers.

Food aint cheap and its about time this small overpopulated Island woke up that fact.

Do you really believe that there is real poverty in this country like this country suffered in the thirtys, or the shanty towns of Africa and S.America today.

No pay a extra pound for a Free ranged bird and read the labelling that it was raised reared and slaughtered in the UK rather than just packaged in the Uk.

Quite agree..................

[squirreltail 15]

I dont give a fcuk , yes free range tastes nicer but when i am eating my kentucky i dont really worry about if the chicken was cramped or not . i am not rich enough to have the morals these divvie multi millionaire tv peronalitys have .

 

Richer than me mate, what price do you pay for your kentucky fried chinese chicken.£9.00 I pay for an organic free range chicken and my missus makes 5 yes 5 meals of it.Morals ? I wouldnt call it that you dont need money to have a bit of compassion for a chicken. Good luck to whittingstall and the others.

We've known for years how battery chooks are kept over here,I've been in one and to say its like hell is putting it mildly.If you looked into the chinese or taiwanese battery chook set up its more hell than ours and you are happy to pay for one meal of that chicken in your kentucky fried.

[Guest k9wpg]

the thing is i dont give f**k about anyone in africa or south america and i would much rather that extra quid in my pocket to spend on what i want , not be forced to pay more for my food by some pompus rich doo gooder .

 

Neither do I but you dont get the point do yeh..Boris?

[boris b 1]

The real issue here for me is about choices , I am again having someone else's opinion forced on me . I dont care about how the chicken/lamb/cow/pig was treated as long as it tatses nice, Are my wages going to go up for me to pay for this more expensive meat ? is it fcuk will i get a tax cut ? will i fcuk . Money saved on food can be spent on doing the things i enjoy . and squirreltail if you can make 5 meals for a family from a organic free range chicken your wife should be a magician .

[john b 38]

A reduction in 'battery' demand - either through consumer choice or a ban of some sort, would end up bringing the price of free range down anyway. The free range production would be scaled up and the overheads per bird would be reduced.

 

And anyway we don't really know what the cost difference at the farm gate is - how much of the extra cost is supermarket markup on a 'high end' product ? You'd soon see that get hammered too when free range becomes the arena for intense competition.

 

And if chicken does become a bit more expensive there might be a market again for rabbits - kentucky fried bunny, now you're talking

 

But in the end it's a moral question. How often to I read posts on hear decrying how people have treated dogs ?....

[Guest Lord B]

The real issue here for me is about choices , I am again having someone else's opinion forced on me . I dont care about how the chicken/lamb/cow/pig was treated as long as it tatses nice, Are my wages going to go up for me to pay for this more expensive meat ? is it fcuk will i get a tax cut ? will i fcuk . Money saved on food can be spent on doing the things i enjoy . and squirreltail if you can make 5 meals for a family from a organic free range chicken your wife should be a magician .

 

Nobody is taking away your choices, there are just some things which are wrong and this is in the eyes of most one of those things; there will still be plenty of chicken around for you to choose from......and not all at silly prices.

 

You say you don't care about how its produced, only the taste; with an atitude like that how will you ever persuade or show anyone that the sport and way of life you love is good and worthwhile? Surely one of the key things about all hunting is that it boils down to good quality good value food on the table? And here you are contradicting that exact point. It may not be directly related in your eyes, but trust me in the eyes of most, and more importantly in the eyes of those who disagree with our choices it is directly related.

 

There are other production methods available to farmers to produce eggs and hens without going down either extreem route (battery or organic), that are cost efective to both the farmer and high street customer. Why do wee battery farm then? Because its feking cheap as hell to produce and buy, why is it so cheap? bercause huge feking corners are cut.....

 

You say squirreltails mrs must be a magician???? I don't agree, organic or free range birds are much healthier, meatier and usually much bigger (part of the reason they cost more) and you can get much more meat from them. Why does a £2 chicken only last one meal?.......because there is fek all meat on the bones!

[Guest Lord B]

A reduction in 'battery' demand - either through consumer choice or a ban of some sort, would end up bringing the price of free range down anyway. The free range production would be scaled up and the overheads per bird would be reduced.

 

And anyway we don't really know what the cost difference at the farm gate is - how much of the extra cost is supermarket markup on a 'high end' product ? You'd soon see that get hammered too when free range becomes the arena for intense competition.

 

And if chicken does become a bit more expensive there might be a market again for rabbits - kentucky fried bunny, now you're talking

 

But in the end it's a moral question. How often to I read posts on hear decrying how people have treated dogs ?....

There will as said above be a reduction in price of "organic" once any ban comes into force; an organic at a farm shop for say £7 is over £10 in a supermarket; the margin of free range about the same with prices lower however.

 

The cost to the farmer is not inconsiderable in farming by organic methods due to the regulations and registration with the Soil Association.

 

I'm not one to agree with organisations making rules etc as such but the Soil Association has it about right in setting a standard by which all producers comply, so that the consumer knows that there is a standard that has to be adheared to in production, they know that the premium they are peying is not just for the name - although as with all things there is a wedge on top for the supermarkets....rightly or wrongly, they are providing the consumer with a practical service (all under one roof), so untill we vote with our feet they will continue to rim us and the producers.

[para1 11]

The real issue here for me is about choices , I am again having someone else's opinion forced on me . I dont care about how the chicken/lamb/cow/pig was treated as long as it tatses nice, Are my wages going to go up for me to pay for this more expensive meat ? is it fcuk will i get a tax cut ? will i fcuk . Money saved on food can be spent on doing the things i enjoy . and squirreltail if you can make 5 meals for a family from a organic free range chicken your wife should be a magician .

 

Nobody is taking away your choices, there are just some things which are wrong and this is in the eyes of most one of those things; there will still be plenty of chicken around for you to choose from......and not all at silly prices.

 

You say you don't care about how its produced, only the taste; with an atitude like that how will you ever persuade or show anyone that the sport and way of life you love is good and worthwhile? Surely one of the key things about all hunting is that it boils down to good quality good value food on the table? And here you are contradicting that exact point. It may not be directly related in your eyes, but trust me in the eyes of most, and more importantly in the eyes of those who disagree with our choices it is directly related.

 

There are other production methods available to farmers to produce eggs and hens without going down either extreem route (battery or organic), that are cost efective to both the farmer and high street customer. Why do wee battery farm then? Because its feking cheap as hell to produce and buy, why is it so cheap? bercause huge feking corners are cut.....

 

You say squirreltails mrs must be a magician???? I don't agree, organic or free range birds are much healthier, meatier and usually much bigger (part of the reason they cost more) and you can get much more meat from them. Why does a £2 chicken only last one meal?.......because there is fek all meat on the bones!

 

 

I have heard some hypocrite's in my time mate but your takeing the piss

 

If you really need something to concern yourself about take a look at Boar&pig hunting

 

forum on hear and then tell me your all upset over a poxey chicken.

 

para1

[Guest Lord B]

The real issue here for me is about choices , I am again having someone else's opinion forced on me . I dont care about how the chicken/lamb/cow/pig was treated as long as it tatses nice, Are my wages going to go up for me to pay for this more expensive meat ? is it fcuk will i get a tax cut ? will i fcuk . Money saved on food can be spent on doing the things i enjoy . and squirreltail if you can make 5 meals for a family from a organic free range chicken your wife should be a magician .

 

Nobody is taking away your choices, there are just some things which are wrong and this is in the eyes of most one of those things; there will still be plenty of chicken around for you to choose from......and not all at silly prices.

 

You say you don't care about how its produced, only the taste; with an atitude like that how will you ever persuade or show anyone that the sport and way of life you love is good and worthwhile? Surely one of the key things about all hunting is that it boils down to good quality good value food on the table? And here you are contradicting that exact point. It may not be directly related in your eyes, but trust me in the eyes of most, and more importantly in the eyes of those who disagree with our choices it is directly related.

 

There are other production methods available to farmers to produce eggs and hens without going down either extreem route (battery or organic), that are cost efective to both the farmer and high street customer. Why do wee battery farm then? Because its feking cheap as hell to produce and buy, why is it so cheap? bercause huge feking corners are cut.....

 

You say squirreltails mrs must be a magician???? I don't agree, organic or free range birds are much healthier, meatier and usually much bigger (part of the reason they cost more) and you can get much more meat from them. Why does a £2 chicken only last one meal?.......because there is fek all meat on the bones!

 

 

I have heard some hypocrite's in my time mate but your takeing the piss

 

If you really need something to concern yourself about take a look at Boar&pig hunting

 

forum on hear and then tell me your all upset over a poxey chicken.

 

para1

 

I'm not "upset" about any "poxey" chicken as you say........ read all my posts on the subject and you may understand just what I'm saying. As for pigs and boar, if you are refering to the mass production of sh*t quality meat, filled with water to bring them up to weight early, I feel just the same about that method of production. Some understanding of where I'm coming from might have lead you to not make the mistake of calling my a hypocrite. My post on DEFRA and food production might explain a bit more................

It might enlighten you as to my thoughts on such subjects.

 

We as a country need to realise that food is not cheap (ok, maybe we don't need to pay stupid supermarket prices), and while we continue to demand cheap cr*p it will get produced and imported on a large scale; many of those who complain about prices are the same who complain about the volume of importation, the lack of support for our own farmer (of which I'm one), the decline in the rural economy and about grief from antis and the like about shooting and hunting.....its all the same.

 

We can not demand cheap food and try and harp on about morals or the errosion of farming or need for field sports. Field sports and farming go hand in hand, the production methods of game are much better than those of battery farming and its this we should be encouraging, regardless of the product, poultry, game, deer, pig..........

 

We can not continue to demand cheap cheap crap while complaining about the very things that we are losing because of the mass call for cheap rubbish....

[Stork-08 0]

Oveusley the whole free range thing uosets people im watching it now

[boris b 1]

lord b you come across as if you are trying to justify hunting , me i hunt because i like it not soely for meat . i like watching dogs hunt and kill . i love putting a ferret in the ground and listening to the sounds . people wanted hunting banned because they are narrow minded bigots same as people want battery farming stopped . i carnt see why you are trying to use hunting as some way to ban this type of farming ? . one mans poison is another mans... and all that . anyway i am of to eat my south american chicken burger very nice and it only cost £1 50 for a box of four from asda , i bet your gimpy mate couldnt match that ?

 

and to john b

 

i see what you are saying and were you are trying to go but imho you are looking at thinks in to simple a way and only in a ideal world . supermarkets are were the vast majority of people buy food from they fcuk british farmers over enough as it is ( milk a case in point ) they are about profit , you wouldnt be able to produce enough free range food in the uk to meet demands if batteary farming was banned . and to be honest i dont think the vast majority of people really give a fcuk .

[Andrea 2]

What a thread , to me it’s common sense, if more people started buying organic or free range food’s, naturally the cost’s of these product’s would come down.

Buying our products from convenience outlets such as supermarkets, make us slaves to their prices. Supermarkets rip of both the consumer and the producer. The supermarkets are well aware that people want organic, free range produce, and make sure we have to pay far higher prices for it.

If we started to buy our products from butchers, green grocers and farm shop’s, we would no longer be dependant on supermarkets and we could buy our food far cheaper while supporting British farmers. After all, before supermarkets, that’s exactly what we did and as a result people where far healthier than they are now. How many of the children are now over weight through buying cheap, mass produced foods.

[Guest k9wpg]

We raise chickens on a small scale for friends and family I am also proud to be a hunter. We treat as hunters are quarry with respect why not the simple poxey chicken?A poxey battery chicken is a symbol of what farming has been forced into .And it pleases me that rich do gooders sometimes have a point .

I have many friends who are farmers and I know they are being squeezed between a rock and a hard place,they treat there livestock with respect and raise quality beef and Lamb.They are fortunate as they are catching on to the idea of selling there produce direct to the customer rather than putting there Beasts through the supermarkets.Unlike the Uk Dairy Industry which will be non extinct in less than 10 years.

 

It disheartens me that you can justify not spending an extra pound on a free ranged bird .Which equates to less than 15 p per day

Edited January 9, 2008 by k9wpg

[boris b 1]

if you really think a free range chicken is a pound different in a super market you are of your rocker , you would need two for a roast because they are on the small side compared to good old battery chickens . so i can get 2 battery chickens for £6 in asda or 1 organic for £6 what do i do i wonder ??? . i smell middle class wankers with more money than sense . i bet mrs smith on the dole her old mans a piss head really gives a fcuk when she is trying to feed her 3 kids if the rare roast they have that weekend has had enough room to move ! all she gives a fcuk about is that it looks like and tastes like a chicken .

[Malt 379]

We haven't always had these ludicrusly cheap chickens that the supermarkets pump out. We used to manage just fine with less money. It's just these days people can think of better things than food to spend their money on.