tail docking

[earth&hounds 94]

come on then lads anyone know of a vet that is docking tails, to much hassell for the old DIY men got to be local to the west midlands staffordshire area(and idea on cost)

[fergie 0]

come on then lads anyone know of a vet that is docking tails, to much hassell for the old DIY men got to be local to the west midlands staffordshire area(and idea on cost)

 

not only is it too much jhassel but i think it is now illegal as you have to have certificates from the vet and before a vet will do it you need to have some proof of it beeing a working dog i.e sgc,fac game keeper ect

 

but try on WWW.gundogclub.com i thinck thats right, there is a list on there, and what you need to do to be legal

[richie 1]

come on then lads anyone know of a vet that is docking tails, to much hassell for the old DIY men got to be local to the west midlands staffordshire area(and idea on cost)

 

i came across this on a working dog site, hope it helps.

 

 

 

UK Tail Docking legislation as at 6 April 2007

 

 

You will now be aware that the new docking bill has been passed , it affects all litters of puppies bred. The PTCGB has new litter registration forms available which take these new laws into account. Please take time to read the below, it may affect you.

All UK legislation has now been passed and enacted as follows;

 

The docking of dogs' tails will be banned in England from 6 April 2007 and in Wales from 28 March 2007 but with exemptions from the ban for certain working dogs, and for medical treatment. A total ban in Scotland will take effect 30 April

 

There will also be a ban on the showing of docked dogs (all dogs docked after the commencement date of 6 April/28 March) at events to which members of the public are admitted on payment of a fee. However, this ban does not apply to dogs shown for the purpose of demonstrating their working ability.

 

The exemption for working dogs allows a dog that is likely to perform certain specified types of work to have its tail docked by a veterinary surgeon. The dog will have to be less than 5 days old and the veterinary surgeon will have to certify that he or she has seen specified evidence that the dog is likely to work in specified areas. Puppies being docked must be microchipped, either at the time of docking or when the vet considers they are old enough. The types of dog that will be allowed to be docked and the types of evidence needed, is detailed below.

 

Puppies from certain working dogs may be docked if evidence is provided to the vet that it is likely to be worked in connection with law enforcement, activities of Her Majesty’s Armed Forces, emergency rescue, lawful pest control, or the lawful shooting of animals. It is accepted that in a litter, not all puppies docked will be found suitable for work.

 

The owner of the dog, or person representing the owner must make a signed statement that, the dam of the puppies to be docked is of a type which can be certified as set out below, the date on which the puppies were born and that it is intended that they will be used, or sold, for one of the working purposes set out in the regulations.

 

The vet must sign a declaration that the requirements of the regulations have been satisfied I.e. That he has been given the necessary declaration by the owner or person representing the owner and has seen the evidence required.

 

The vet must have a completed statement, signed and dated by the owner of the dog (or by another person whom the veterinary surgeon to whom it is presented reasonably believes to be representing the owner), made in the form set out in the regulations. The vet must see the dam of the dog and a further piece of evidence such as:

 

A current shotgun or firearm certificate issued to the owner of the dog, or to the agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog for work in connection with the lawful shooting of animals OR

 

A letter from a gamekeeper, a land occupier (or his agent), a person with shooting rights, a shoot organiser, a club official, a person representing the National Working Terrier Federation, or a person engaged in lawful pest control, stating that the breeder of the dog whose tail is to be docked is known to him and that dogs bred by that breeder have been used (as the case may be) on his land, or in his shoot, or for pest control.

 

Although the procedure is the same, the list of dogs which can be docked are different between England and Wales. There is a total ban on docking in Scotland.

 

In England the following can be docked:

 

1. Hunt point retrieve breeds of any type or combination of types.

 

2. Spaniels of any type or combination of types.

 

3. Terriers of any type or combination of types.

 

In Wales the following can be docked:

 

1. Spaniels of the following breeds: English Springer Spaniel, Welsh Springer Spaniel and Cocker Spaniel, but not combinations of breeds

 

2. Terriers of the following breeds: Jack Russell Terrier, Cairn Terrier, Lakeland Terrier, Norfolk Terrier, but not combinations of breeds

 

3. Hunt point retrievers of the following breeds:

 

Braque Italian, Brittany, German Long Haired Pointer, German Short Haired Pointer, German Wire Haired Pointer, Hungarian Vizsla, Hungarian Wire Haired Vizsla, Italian Spinone, Spanish Water Dog, Weimaraner, Korthals Griffon, Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer, Large Munsterlander, Small Munsterlander.

 

It remains the prerogative of a veterinary surgeon as to whether he chooses to dock a dog’s tail or not.

 

Showing of Docked Dogs

 

A dog docked before the 28 March 2007 in Wales and 6 April 2007 in England may continue to be shown at all shows in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland throughout its natural life.

 

A dog docked on, or after, the above dates, irrespective of where it was docked, may not be shown at shows in England and Wales where the public is charged a fee for admission.

 

However, where a working dog has been docked in England and Wales under the respective regulations set out above, it may be shown where the public are charged a fee, so long as it is shown “only to demonstrate its working abilityâ€. It will thus be necessary to show working dogs in such a way as ONLY to demonstrate their working ability and not conformity to a standard.

 

A dog legally docked in England, Wales, Northern Ireland or abroad may be shown at any show in Scotland or Northern Ireland.

 

The future for the 90% of dogs not covered by the above exemptions appears bleak. The Board of the CDB will be meeting shortly to discuss the future of the CDB, we will keep you informed.

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THE WELSH RULES DONT MAKE SENSE BASICALLY YOU CANT DOCK THE BREEDS WHICH WILL BE DOING THE MOST WORK IE PATT/FELL/CROSSBRED TERRIERS BUT YOU CAN DOCK A POOFY CAIRN OR A NORFOLK? WHATS THIS COUNTRY LIKE

[Guest ROOSTER]

cairns are not docked so why are they on the list

[dev 227]

that is completely mental,what a f**king joke

[snaremeafoxy 0]

know a few of my mates had vets do thier pups over north east price was £15 for first pup £10 for each pup after that

[bullx 12]

Do them yourself mate,who,s to know weather you done them or a vet.

[earth&hounds 94]

Do them yourself mate,who,s to know weather you done them or a vet.

the judge mate if you get cort you need that bit of paperoff the vet not worth going to nick for dockin a tail or two

[moss 70]

YOU need a vet to do them forget the diy you will go to jail without a doubt, you need a certificate from a vet and all the relavent paper work thats who to know.

a woman up here who did here own got 8 days for every pup she docked and a 5 year bann from keeping animals

[CumbrianJack 2]

Just leave the bloody tails on. Too much hassle trust me.

How the hell do you tell which pup will be a worker & which not at 3 days old??? You can't have them all docked saying they are all going to working homes then sell them to someone who dosen't work it because the first thing a vet asks when they go for jabs is who docked the tail & joe public will spout out your name to his/her vet so as not to get into trouble themselves.

Besides they don't look all that bad with tails & we have had odd dogs in the past with a tail on, never has it been injured. I'd prefer to still be able to dock but i'm not even going to run the risk because there is few vets who do dock & if they do they won't put their names to paper & each pup needs vet certificate stating the vet who docked it, plus it has to be chipped at the same time.

Silly thing is that if a dog does turn out a good worker & breaks its tail by accident when older a vet will then dock it.

 

Heres one of my latest pups with tail inlcuded, i am getting used to them but my old father cannot bide them, wants to chop them all off.

[snaremeafoxy 0]

dont know if true or not but tail law dosen't apply in Ireland???? not sure of north or south any info would be great

[VODAFONE 0]

so what if i were to buy a pup off a traveller what could the vets do about that after all you cant really track him/her down . JUST WONDERING .

[higgins 75]

i've been to the vets 3 times since i bought my terrier pup already docked.He's ten months old now

but it's just occurred to me that i wasn't asked who docked him and i wouldn't really know

(truthfully),when is a person most likely going to be questioned over a docked tail in a serious

manner?

Higgins.

[Cupid Stunt 18]

Just leave the bloody tails on. Too much hassle trust me.

How the hell do you tell which pup will be a worker & which not at 3 days old??? You can't have them all docked saying they are all going to working homes then sell them to someone who dosen't work it because the first thing a vet asks when they go for jabs is who docked the tail & joe public will spout out your name to his/her vet so as not to get into trouble themselves.

 

 

Try reading the legislation & you will see the word Likely to crop up more than once