Finnish Male Gos's

[jasper65 6]

Hello mate,

I'm heading up north on the 25th for a day out hunting with a Goldie on the 26th and then with Lee and his imprint Gos on the 27th, should be a good weekend, will sort out some pics...hopefully.

Haven't seen a Goldie fly since I was a nipper, we used to ferret rabbits for a guy in the Welsh that had one, really looking forward to it, can't imagine what it's like to carry a bird around that flies at 7lb 4oz tho

ATB

 

Sounds like you're going to have some fun Perry . its got to be the right place for a Goldie way up north! I can't see how people can get the best out of them flying on the flat plains. I'm sure you'll Have a good one with Lee on the 27th mate too.

 

I'm now knuckling down to do some prep on some of these aviaries! there's a few alteration that needs doing which I made a note of last year but I keep putting it off each day! today though mate I'm on a mission ....

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

[D.A.Z 0]

jasper,can you tell me mate why you like the p/r gos over the imprint.i understand you said you like the old school and hats off to you.

just intrested in your views mate.

thanks daz

Edited January 19, 2008 by D.A.Z

[terrys 0]

Hello terry.

 

I spend alot of time with jasper and when it comes to gosses this man is a mind of info on them , the photos on this thread are just a fraction of his gosses aswell as other birds which he Breeds, he is a top man and a good friend.

 

regards wag

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the note.

 

Tel

[jasper65 6]

jasper,can you tell me mate why you like the p/r gos over the imprint.i understand you said you like the old school and hats off to you.

just intrested in your views mate.

thanks daz

 

I hope some other lads can add there thoughts on this subject.

 

Probably the main benefit of flying a Imprint over a P/R bird Daz is 99% of the Manning is done in the rearing! Social Imprinting is just that. you socialize with the bird constantly but have no food association with it, the idea of this is when the bird is flying it doesn't show the Bad habbits associated with Full blown food Imprints or Mal imprints, Obviousley weight control and plenty of kills is the order of the day.

 

The problem with all Imprints though Daz is they are basicly totaly f****d in the head ! I'm not convinced they're really sure what they are? do they think are they human like the person who socialized with them from a downy? I have no idea, basically they're a bit confused!! they have to be confused for the males to copulate with humans and the females to stand for humans for copulation. one thing for sure is 99.9% of Imprints are easily offended by any bad handling, I suppose in their eyes when the handler has to cast it for some reason its like being man handled or attacked by another of its kind, the P/R bird on the other hand won't be offended in the same way, Basically it knows its a bird and it won't come across that its being man handled by another of its own species.

 

Some Imprints are fine when done properly but I must admit alot of females I have seen in the past have been flown mildly over weight expecially in the first year to avoid bad Habbits, This is bound to rear its head with any Imprint being cut keen in the earley stages, Mantling/Screaming/ Aggresion are a few traits you could experience but alot of the time these will get better with a few kills and fills under theit belt .

 

On the other Hand the P/R bird when manned down and flown keen at Hunting weight won't show any of the above if its been P/R properly, having said that taking a P/R bird earley straight out of the aviary and hitting them hard in the guts can start them off screaming. I personally love the P/R birds mate as for me they opitimise what Falconry is about! taking a wild bird out of a Aviary to the stage of feeding off the fist, Manning, Jumping to the fist, Creance, Loose, and then the real prize to go out and take quarry with your bird, to me the achievments and gratitudes are much higher and much deserved and has been practised for centuries with optimum results.

 

If you look back over the years when the old school Falconers manned and trainned their birds all their stock was wild stock, either Passage or Haggard, these old school warriors made steady good Hunting birds from birds which was other wise fearfull of man in a big way, these Falconry Arts and skills expecially in the Manning side will be completely by passed if taking up a Imprint. they was lucky guys as their birds had already proved themselves in the wild as good Hunting stock and was the cream of the crop, some of these birds was the the survivors of Harsh winters and the harsh reality of nature but coped and proved their efficiency as Hunters in the wild, what a jem it would be to take up a bird like this.

 

All in all in my mind Falconry was based on the guys of yester years acheivments. these guys set the pace and put the time in to the wildest of birds and acheived so much with them, its fair to say things have moved on since then but the fundermental basics are still there, Its Horses for courses really! but when it comes to flying I'll be going P/R everytime....

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

[D.A.Z 0]

Jasper

what can i say, a interesting read that thankyou for you views and the time it took you to write.ive done loads of homework if you like to call it that on the hh&rt, even managed to get out with lads with them,but very little on the gos, up to now that is.i have spoke to two very experienced blokes on different occasions.

so i wont insult you by giving any of my uneducated views,other than it seems to me that they are almost like two different species the p/r and imprint gos that is.

thanks again Daz

[D.A.Z 0]

thanks for your imput millet,but would you not think incedents like the ones you mentioned were down to to incroect handeling in the early stages.ie more to do with the handler than the bird???

thanks daz

ps sorry jasper if it seems like ive hijacked your thread

[D.A.Z 0]

thanks for your imput millet,but would you not think incedents like the ones you mentioned were down to to incroect handeling in the early stages.ie more to do with the handler than the bird???

thanks daz

ps sorry jasper if it seems like ive hijacked your thread

Them problem's are through bad handling mate.. but would them problem's of been as severe with a fecked up P/R bird.. ..

Millet

 

thankyou mate

daz

[horris 3]

jasper,can you tell me mate why you like the p/r gos over the imprint.i understand you said you like the old school and hats off to you.

just intrested in your views mate.

thanks daz

 

I hope some other lads can add there thoughts on this subject.

 

Probably the main benefit of flying a Imprint over a P/R bird Daz is 99% of the Manning is done in the rearing! Social Imprinting is just that. you socialize with the bird constantly but have no food association with it, the idea of this is when the bird is flying it doesn't show the Bad habbits associated with Full blown food Imprints or Mal imprints, Obviousley weight control and plenty of kills is the order of the day.

 

The problem with all Imprints though Daz is they are basicly totaly f****d in the head ! I'm not convinced they're really sure what they are? do they think are they human like the person who socialized with them from a downy? I have no idea, basically they're a bit confused!! they have to be confused for the males to copulate with humans and the females to stand for humans for copulation. one thing for sure is 99.9% of Imprints are easily offended by any bad handling, I suppose in their eyes when the handler has to cast it for some reason its like being man handled or attacked by another of its kind, the P/R bird on the other hand won't be offended in the same way, Basically it knows its a bird and it won't come across that its being man handled by another of its own species.

 

Some Imprints are fine when done properly but I must admit alot of females I have seen in the past have been flown mildly over weight expecially in the first year to avoid bad Habbits, This is bound to rear its head with any Imprint being cut keen in the earley stages, Mantling/Screaming/ Aggresion are a few traits you could experience but alot of the time these will get better with a few kills and fills under theit belt .

 

On the other Hand the P/R bird when manned down and flown keen at Hunting weight won't show any of the above if its been P/R properly, having said that taking a P/R bird earley straight out of the aviary and hitting them hard in the guts can start them off screaming. I personally love the P/R birds mate as for me they opitimise what Falconry is about! taking a wild bird out of a Aviary to the stage of feeding off the fist, Manning, Jumping to the fist, Creance, Loose, and then the real prize to go out and take quarry with your bird, to me the achievments and gratitudes are much higher and much deserved and has been practised for centuries with optimum results.

 

If you look back over the years when the old school Falconers manned and trainned their birds all their stock was wild stock, either Passage or Haggard, these old school warriors made steady good Hunting birds from birds which was other wise fearfull of man in a big way, these Falconry Arts and skills expecially in the Manning side will be completely by passed if taking up a Imprint. they was lucky guys as their birds had already proved themselves in the wild as good Hunting stock and was the cream of the crop, some of these birds was the the survivors of Harsh winters and the harsh reality of nature but coped and proved their efficiency as Hunters in the wild, what a jem it would be to take up a bird like this.

 

All in all in my mind Falconry was based on the guys of yester years acheivments. these guys set the pace and put the time in to the wildest of birds and acheived so much with them, its fair to say things have moved on since then but the fundermental basics are still there, Its Horses for courses really! but when it comes to flying I'll be going P/R everytime....

 

Cheers

 

Jasper

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