cantona 310 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 If in a litter of pups all the pups are different in sizes do most pups stay in relation to size when they finish growing, i.e. Biggest stays biggest, smallest stays smallest, I don't mean runts and giants in litters just all slightly different Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, cantona said: If in a litter of pups all the pups are different in sizes do most pups stay in relation to size when they finish growing, i.e. Biggest stays biggest, smallest stays smallest, I don't mean runts and giants in litters just all slightly different No,i used to go by longest back,skin stretch,size of paws etc.The amount of times the scrawny fecker grew the biggest. 1 Quote Link to post
gnipper 6,571 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 The runts can make the biggest. 2 Quote Link to post
Saltmoon 2,208 Posted February 9, 2020 Report Share Posted February 9, 2020 My old bull x was the runt and he made the biggest by a couple of inches. Like Morton says back size paws knuckles are some indication to size but not always. My pal has a bull x paws and knuckles like a lion and he is only 23tts at 15months old Quote Link to post
poxon 5,801 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 No mate it’s all variables on individual pup Quote Link to post
skycat 6,174 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 There's a big difference between a small puppy and a true runt. True runts are wonky from the start: classic traits are bulging eyes at birth (yes, I know the eyes aren't open but you can still see how the lids bulge out), domed forehead, underdeveloped generally and lacking the instinct to suckle properly. And yes, I've seen the smallest puppy end up the biggest as an adult, and in those cases the pup was small because of where it developed in the uterus and it didn't have much room but made up for it afterwards, and was strong at birth and able to suckle and fight for its teat. Not saying that a true runt can't be reared, but I've a theory that they are born premature: there's no science to back up my theory but isn't it possible that there was delayed implantation of that particular embryo, which means that such pups need a lot more care from birth if they are to make it? I've reared one true runt by assisted feeding from a syringe as it couldn't suckle, but it was never 'right' either physically or mentally. Just one example, but in the only two other cases I had when runts appeared I left nature to take its course, and in both cases they died within 24 hours. 6 Quote Link to post
Penda 3,341 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 I always find that if the pup lies away from the bitch in the 1st 2 days stands a strong chance he's not going to survive I've done everything to try and help them but in all honesty your just waisting your time the bitch knows best as they say and natural selection nature is king 1 Quote Link to post
moonlighter 1,164 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, skycat said: There's a big difference between a small puppy and a true runt. True runts are wonky from the start: classic traits are bulging eyes at birth (yes, I know the eyes aren't open but you can still see how the lids bulge out), domed forehead, underdeveloped generally and lacking the instinct to suckle properly. And yes, I've seen the smallest puppy end up the biggest as an adult, and in those cases the pup was small because of where it developed in the uterus and it didn't have much room but made up for it afterwards, and was strong at birth and able to suckle and fight for its teat. Not saying that a true runt can't be reared, but I've a theory that they are born premature: there's no science to back up my theory but isn't it possible that there was delayed implantation of that particular embryo, which means that such pups need a lot more care from birth if they are to make it? I've reared one true runt by assisted feeding from a syringe as it couldn't suckle, but it was never 'right' either physically or mentally. Just one example, but in the only two other cases I had when runts appeared I left nature to take its course, and in both cases they died within 24 hours. Domed head, bulging eyes and tiny... sounds like a chihuahua Quote Link to post
Dinosaurs 2,125 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 I picked the smallest slightest deerhound pup from whole litter & she made 32 1/2” tts!!! A full inch taller than any of the dogs from same litter. The other bitches were round the 28” mark. So you can never really tell. Atb 1 Quote Link to post
Say again 173 Posted February 10, 2020 Report Share Posted February 10, 2020 Also depends on environment and feeding. I think you can put an inch or 2 more on a pup with a warm kennel and good grub 6 Quote Link to post
MickC 1,825 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Well being and nutrition play a big part in a pups growth once there away from the mother,hence why there can be so much difference in size compared to the other litter mates once fully grown . What other different breeds are in the pups makeup also has an influence on size and type,with some pups throwing different to the others in the litter . Edited February 11, 2020 by MickC 3 Quote Link to post
skycat 6,174 Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Knew a bloke who bought a Whippet, Deerhound x Greyhound. All the rest of the litter made at least 25", but his turned out 18", and he reared it well and knew what he was doing. Beware getting anything directly related to something much smaller than you want. 7 Quote Link to post
Mito1223 20 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 What would ur guess be. My pup is 6 month and slightly over 20tts - mum was 18 i think and dad 27 Quote Link to post
poxon 5,801 Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mito1223 said: What would ur guess be. My pup is 6 month and slightly over 20tts - mum was 18 i think and dad 27 22/23 Quote Link to post
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