Slow footballers

[gnasher16 30,597]

13 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

That movement is a nightmare as when they concertina the defence across the pitch , few teams play with a defensive mid these days anchoring in attack so when the gaps appear the Liverpool mid can step up and hit from range . 

Imagine being a centre half with looking at salah,  mane , firminho , Henderson , Arnold and Robertson running at you at pace. Where do you go to to check that ? 

The ball or do you be brave and stay with the man ? 

howling 

Id love to be able to read football like that.....its taken me 15 minutes to process what your talking about 

A good pal of mine go,s on like that i feel a right prat keep having to tell him to speak slower 

Fascinates me all this shit.

[NEWKID 27,740]

3 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Id love to be able to read football like that.....its taken me 15 minutes to process what your talking about 

A good pal of mine go,s on like that i feel a right prat keep having to tell him to speak slower 

Fascinates me all this shit.

To be honest Liverpool are playing a system which is completely new and revolutionary.... it's hard watching on TV to appreciate everything that is going on, the running and movement off the ball is lost....

I'd go and watch the Liveroool side in the stands they are that good (f**k that hurts!! Lol)

[WILF 48,276]

5 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Were players having less time on the ball though mate im not sure....ok yes they were getting hit with crunching tackles from all angles but it took a lot longer to physically get there....today Vardy is going to be all over a defender dilly dallying on the ball ok he isnt going to crunch him but worse still he,s going to nick the ball and f**k off with it....no ?

I think the in finest days of the Arsenal invincibles and  Manchester United those attacks were every bit as fast as we see today, I’d say physically they ran at teams more and moved the ball less so in that sense they were putting in more of a shift that maybe you see now days ? 
 

Teams couldn’t deal with Thiery Henry in his prime then and they wouldn’t be able to deal with him now....no question about it.

Same for Giggs or Rooney, they absolutely terrorised people when they ran at them.

I’d say they have more time on the ball now because defenders will tend to stand off rather than put a foot in to effect the play......I don’t think that because the game is massively faster, I still think that down to rule changes.

The days of “if you don’t get the ball at least you will slow him down” are long gone......do that now and you are walking 

[NEWKID 27,740]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

I think the in finest days of the Arsenal invincibles and  Manchester United those attacks were every bit as fast as we see today, I’d say physically they ran at teams more and moved the ball less so in that sense they were putting in more of a shift that maybe you see now days ? 
 

Teams couldn’t deal with Thiery Henry in his prime then and they wouldn’t be able to deal with him now....no question about it.

Same for Giggs or Rooney, they absolutely terrorised people when they ran at them.

I’d say they have more time on the ball now because defenders will tend to stand off rather than put a foot in to effect the play......I don’t think that because the game is massively faster, I still think that down to rule changes.

The days of “if you don’t get the ball at least you will slow him down” are long gone......do that now and you are walking 

Look at the front line of Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo....scored over 100 goals between.them in a season....you just cant live with that!!

Liverpool front 3 are the same....plus those fullback...oh and outstanding ball playing centre backs....you dont really need a midfield!! Lol

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,440]

12 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

To be honest Liverpool are playing a system which is completely new and revolutionary.... it's hard watching on TV to appreciate everything that is going on, the running and movement off the ball is lost....

I'd go and watch the Liveroool side in the stands they are that good (f**k that hurts!! Lol)

I will agree but disagree as although for a koppite watching it it must be exciting , I’d rather sit on watch it on the telly on my own  so you get to see the whole beauty of it . 

I’m as guilty of ball watching in the flesh at games as the next man 

i hate watching footy in pubs as well . Nothing worse 

[jukel123 9,046]

1 hour ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

I’ve said for years , there is a huge difference between being a great player and world class . 

In the premier league at the minute there are probably a dozen world class players 

I would be interested to know who you believe to be world class players in the current premiership. Not looking for an argument by the way.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,440]

12 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

To be honest Liverpool are playing a system which is completely new and revolutionary.... it's hard watching on TV to appreciate everything that is going on, the running and movement off the ball is lost....

I'd go and watch the Liveroool side in the stands they are that good (f**k that hurts!! Lol)

I will agree but disagree as although for a koppite watching it it must be exciting , I’d rather sit on watch it on the telly on my own  so you get to see the whole beauty of it . 

I’m as guilty of ball watching in the flesh at games as the next man 

i hate watching footy in pubs as well . Nothing worse 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,440]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I would be interested to know who you believe to be world class players in the current premiership. Not looking for an argument by the way.

Posted them already mate 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,440]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I would be interested to know who you believe to be world class players in the current premiership. Not looking for an argument by the way.

And by the way , I’ll talk football all day pal without a single argument from me 

[NEWKID 27,740]

9 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

I will agree but disagree as although for a koppite watching it it must be exciting , I’d rather sit on watch it on the telly on my own  so you get to see the whole beauty of it . 

I’m as guilty of ball watching in the flesh at games as the next man 

i hate watching footy in pubs as well . Nothing worse 

I'm the same in pubs, I end up watching it again the next day as you miss most of it...

I think in the stands you see the whole picture, I remember watching Rooney in a game against Arsenal in the FA cup....his running off the ball was unbelievable...but one thing I noticed was how he positioned himself for goal kicks, he would start wide and run across the centre backs either winning the first ball in the air on the run or making the run behind, it was a bit route 1 but he had it to a tee....

You're right that you follow the ball, but you naturally see a lot more live than on telly....

Liverpool must be fantastic to watch live at the moment..

[gnasher16 30,597]

54 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think the in finest days of the Arsenal invincibles and  Manchester United those attacks were every bit as fast as we see today, I’d say physically they ran at teams more and moved the ball less so in that sense they were putting in more of a shift that maybe you see now days ? 
 

Teams couldn’t deal with Thiery Henry in his prime then and they wouldn’t be able to deal with him now....no question about it.

Same for Giggs or Rooney, they absolutely terrorised people when they ran at them.

I’d say they have more time on the ball now because defenders will tend to stand off rather than put a foot in to effect the play......I don’t think that because the game is massively faster, I still think that down to rule changes.

The days of “if you don’t get the ball at least you will slow him down” are long gone......do that now and you are walking 

Maybe forwards have more time on the ball and defenders less ?....i just never remember defenders being pressured so much as they are nowadays i suppose the simple logic of defending from the front is in effect more today than ever before maybe.

[gnasher16 30,597]

28 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

I'm the same in pubs, I end up watching it again the next day as you miss most of it...

I think in the stands you see the whole picture, I remember watching Rooney in a game against Arsenal in the FA cup....his running off the ball was unbelievable...but one thing I noticed was how he positioned himself for goal kicks, he would start wide and run across the centre backs either winning the first ball in the air on the run or making the run behind, it was a bit route 1 but he had it to a tee....

You're right that you follow the ball, but you naturally see a lot more live than on telly....

Liverpool must be fantastic to watch live at the moment..

I was only having this conversation the other day....im not so sure you do see more at a game now than on the telly....i dont know if its improved camera angles or what but the amount of times im watching a game on telly and virtually every outfield player on the pitch is in the picture,you even see it the way teams line up to kick off they seem all condensed into one area.....particularly when your watching one of these " park the bus " type teams.

[WILF 48,276]

2 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Maybe forwards have more time on the ball and defenders less ?....i just never remember defenders being pressured so much as they are nowadays i suppose the simple logic of defending from the front is in effect more today than ever before maybe.

Oh I agree but I think you have to add in the fact that defenders are so limited on what they can do now days compared to years gone by.

They have to try to defend most things by angling an attacking player away with their body shape, it’s a hell of a lot more running for a defender compared to actually setting yourself and making the full blooded tackle.

Would you rather chase Sterling all day or put a tackle on him?.......I think that’s what it comes down to.

[WILF 48,276]

Just as an aside, I’d say one of the best player I have seen who has worked out how to get away with old school defending in the modern game is Sergio Ramos.

[jukel123 9,046]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Just as an aside, I’d say one of the best player I have seen who has worked out how to get away with old school defending in the modern game is Sergio Ramos.

THE very best at being a dirty b*****d and getting away with it. I sometimes think refs are frightened to book him or send him off because of the aura he carries with him. It's a bit like Fergie scaring refs who came to Old Trafford, he made them feel they were only welcome if they obeyed his rules.