German shepherd first x.

[darbo 4,776]

All i know about the litter of gsd/grey litter hancock bred was he could not sell them he gave a few away one to GB and i think the rest were pts.

[poxon 5,740]

1 hour ago, MickC said:

I know Plummer was a teacher but did he also have a Business Degree ? Lol

Plummer wrote his tall tales of the merits of his hunting with Collie/Greyhounds and his mate Hancock just happened to be a Collie/Greyhound breeder ! and sold 1000s of pups for a few decades off the back of Plummers books and magazine articles. Plummer himself also coining it in off the back of his books/magazine articles with his own line of terriers. With Plummer being a very keen photographer it does make you wonder why however there are no photos of these record catches etc what he mentioned in these said books/articles. One thing over looked with this Lurcher breeding set up though is that they introduced the Merle gene into Lurchers on a commercial scale . http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/merle.html

Didn’t plumber set hand job up as a lurcher breeder as hand job was a failed pig/poultry farmer wasn’t he but Plummer didn’t fancy being a breeder off  both Lurchers as well as his creation the Plummer terrier 

[darbo 4,776]

Hancocks poultry farm went into liquidation. He had a couple of acres. It was plummers idea about the commercial set up of breeding collie crosses and the rest is history.

[shaaark 10,786]

11 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

You know where I am, anytime more than welcome I’ll even give you brew when you wake up

 

4 hours ago, billhardy said:

Trust me you not be waking up end of it'll be your end no hold g back I'm gonna cull ya

Reminds me of that old sex pistols track, belsen was a gas.

"Katchum was a cull, I heard the other day" lol 

[sandymere 8,263]

For my two pennies worth I've only seen a  few GSD crosses over the years, back in the 70s watched one course a couple of times, 1/4 GSD 3/4 grey, was fast but lacked stamina mind wasn't used much, more a pet than worker, lovely looker. 

Then the ejit running rare deer in a deer park  caused a bit of trouble and did nothing for the reputation of lurchers in Bedfordshire at the time, couple got nicked following the publicity that brought.

Lastly some dogs used for bigger stuff in Devon a while ago that put a fair bit of game away although of mixed breeding.

All in all seems to make a useful sort in the right hands if bigger game is the target but whether better than other crosses is open to question. Perhaps 1/4 GSD to 3/4 coursing blood or good staying greyhound line would make a useful beast.

[pengelli 371]

18 minutes ago, darbo said:

Hancocks poultry farm went into liquidation. He had a couple of acres. It was plummers idea about the commercial set up of breeding collie crosses and the rest is history.

Went to hancocks place to pick up two pups one a half cross and one three quarter bred  and I can honestly say you couldn't meet a nicer man . Was there few hours endless cups of tea and a good chat about dogs the thing about Hancock was you knew what you were getting genuine collie hybrids rather than taking a chance on some random ad in the sporting press where you were taking the mans word for what he had this was early 90 s the man seen a business oportunity and took it who can blame him and for the record those two pups turned out decent mutts 

[darbo 4,776]

15 minutes ago, pengelli said:

Went to hancocks place to pick up two pups one a half cross and one three quarter bred  and I can honestly say you couldn't meet a nicer man . Was there few hours endless cups of tea and a good chat about dogs the thing about Hancock was you knew what you were getting genuine collie hybrids rather than taking a chance on some random ad in the sporting press where you were taking the mans word for what he had this was early 90 s the man seen a business oportunity and took it who can blame him and for the record those two pups turned out decent mutts 

i went down to hancocks in the 80s 6 times and i agree he was a pleasant man to talk to and his wife joan was a nice woman. In my opinion in the early days Hancock did do a lot of research into working collies and brought in some collie pups from good working lines back in the 80s.

[billhardy 2,342]

2 hours ago, baker boy said:

Theres no pics because it was mostly fckn lies

All lies Tb bill

[billhardy 2,342]

1 hour ago, sandymere said:

For my two pennies worth I've only seen a  few GSD crosses over the years, back in the 70s watched one course a couple of times, 1/4 GSD 3/4 grey, was fast but lacked stamina mind wasn't used much, more a pet than worker, lovely looker. 

Then the ejit running rare deer in a deer park  caused a bit of trouble and did nothing for the reputation of lurchers in Bedfordshire at the time, couple got nicked following the publicity that brought.

Lastly some dogs used for bigger stuff in Devon a while ago that put a fair bit of game away although of mixed breeding.

All in all seems to make a useful sort in the right hands if bigger game is the target but whether better than other crosses is open to question. Perhaps 1/4 GSD to 3/4 coursing blood or good staying greyhound line would make a useful beast.

The eejit has you say we're no eejit he wS a venison poacher. TB bill

[billhardy 2,342]

1 hour ago, darbo said:

All i know about the litter of gsd/grey litter hancock bred was he could not sell them he gave a few away one to GB and i think the rest were pts.

Ha co k was advised ta cut the alsation project out fa the collie xs the beard ie border types far more asthetic pleasing T the eye bred ta be sellers with all those fancy coloured merles from Richard Jones then taffy. TB bill

[darbo 4,776]

5 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Ha co k was advised ta cut the alsation project out fa the collie xs the beard ie border types far more asthetic pleasing T the eye bred ta be sellers with all those fancy coloured merles from Richard Jones then taffy. TB bill

True bill the rough coated merles were the sellers. He should have carried on breeding pups from collies like the chuck arrowsmiths collie and their like.

[darbo 4,776]

5 minutes ago, baker boy said:

I never seen anyone trying to sell anything no be pleasant to talk to thats how they keep selling stuff

i can only give my own opinion how i found the man he didnt try and force a sale and was not pushy. in contrast i have found a few to be arseholes when trying to sell.

[billhardy 2,342]

7 minutes ago, darbo said:

True bill the rough coated merles were the sellers. He should have carried on breeding pups from collies like the chuck arrowsmiths collie and their like.

Chucks collie dog that produ Ed chuckles I seen work. He wS a real good front on guard aswell on the back the wagons. Fe King crazy really sleight used him ta a bitch though. The alsation litter was a one off litter those alsations he had on chains before the lur hers studs got chained wS the sire to them. But there was alsationsxs greys before them and the Barton jukels they were popular on  sites so we're lurcher alsations deerhound type xs they were found to feed a family well the cc oursing types followed those types alsation xs greyhounds were around before the saluki lurchers etc. I had a great big black saddled brindle male from the Boswells. Fecking awesome on the lamp conies hcatch has many has there was ta be catched long ears same deer  very very relaxed type runner he was steady type. Atb bill

[billhardy 2,342]

22 minutes ago, baker boy said:

I never seen anyone trying to sell anything no be pleasant to talk to thats how they keep selling stuff

Hancock demeanour has a great sales type personality if he would a been a jukel he would a been a topper  plumber knew this atb bill

[darbo 4,776]

The alsation dog he used.