RIP Jeremy Corbyn,

[Lenmcharristar 9,841]

8 minutes ago, DIDO.1 said:

Held to account for what? Record employment. Since the day he was elected they have been trying to drag him down and screw the American people. Similar to the anti brexit lot, they knew delay and uncertainty was the major issue but they would rather have businesses effected than admit that democracy wasn't going their way. 

Nothing actually happened with trump, even if he did ask Ukraine to investigate a rival does it really matter? Really? The senate won't remove him but it don't matter, the political left must keep kicking and screaming and stopping him from getting on with his job. The same people were no doubt hoping North Korea would launch nukes so they could blame trump. Just let him lead and campaign for the next election. The same scum are outside Parliament screaming 'Boris isn't my prime minister'. 

Can he still run for another term after being illegally impeached?

[Lenmcharristar 9,841]

The only way to get the country united again is behind a good leader declaring war on the lefty scum bag €unts that’s trying to block and wreck everything the right majority vote for

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said:

Held to account for what? Record employment. Since the day he was elected they have been trying to drag him down and screw the American people. Similar to the anti brexit lot, they knew delay and uncertainty was the major issue but they would rather have businesses effected than admit that democracy wasn't going their way. 

Nothing actually happened with trump, even if he did ask Ukraine to investigate a rival does it really matter? Really? The senate won't remove him but it don't matter, the political left must keep kicking and screaming and stopping him from getting on with his job. The same people were no doubt hoping North Korea would launch nukes so they could blame trump. Just let him lead and campaign for the next election. The same scum are outside Parliament screaming 'Boris isn't my prime minister'. 

Employment is about the only one positive aspect:  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/2/20970521/trump-administration-achievements

The rest isn't.

[DIDO.1 22,844]

9 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Employment is about the only one positive aspect:  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/2/20970521/trump-administration-achievements

The rest isn't.

OK well he won't get re elected then will he. 

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said:

OK well he won't get re elected then will he. 

That depends on who he's up against. Last time around it was the least worst scenario.

[WILF 47,344]

They are trying very hard to bring socialist European style politics to the United States from what I can see of it......America will decide if it wants that.

Think of Obama, a man cast exactly in Blair’s image.

[Francie 6,368]

He hasn't actually been impeached, it has to go to court an stuff, it will be thrown out cause there's not one shred of evidence against him, I watched all the impeachment hearings, it was a complete joke, a big nothing burger trump nos this. 

[Nicepix 5,650]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

They are trying very hard to bring socialist European style politics to the United States from what I can see of it......America will decide if it wants that.

Think of Obama, a man cast exactly in Blair’s image.

 

I don't think that Obama and Bliar were alike on the political sense. Obama tried the socialist approach with things like Obamacare, but the rich don't want to pay for the poor, especially as there are more and more of them. Obama was leaning to the left and Bliar was most certainly leaning to the right. Obama tried to bring in affordable health care and education. Bliar sold the hospitals and schools to the highest bidders, who ironically were predominantly American. Bliar was arguably more right wing than Thatcher.

[Francie 6,368]

Weres @BGD at

[dogmandont 9,846]

2 minutes ago, Francie said:

Weres @BGD at

At this present moment he’s writing L and R on all of Diane Abbott’s shoes. 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

On 19/12/2019 at 16:50, Lenmcharristar said:

Can he still run for another term after being illegally impeached?

Yes. Impeachment removes him from office it doesn't bar him from running again. Only a majority senate vote could place restrictions on any future participation in elections.

On 19/12/2019 at 18:09, Nicepix said:

Employment is about the only one positive aspect:  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/2/20970521/trump-administration-achievements

The rest isn't.

Presidents don't control the economy. They're simply the poster boy. The rebound from the 2008 crash is still blowing up the bubble. He's no more responsible for the boom than Bush was for the bust, or Obama was for the record recovery under his watch. Something that's constantly ignored here on THL. It's simply happening on Trump's watch although it can and does sway elections when Americans have more money in their pockets.

On 19/12/2019 at 20:56, Francie said:

He hasn't actually been impeached, it has to go to court an stuff, it will be thrown out cause there's not one shred of evidence against him, I watched all the impeachment hearings, it was a complete joke, a big nothing burger trump nos this. 

Depends how you want to to look at what you've been presented. Asking a foreign government to investigate a political rival is an impeachable offense. Instructing the executive branch to not comply with legal requests from legislative branch is an impeachable offense. Impeachment doesn't have be on the back of criminal conduct it's based purely on whether it's unconstitutional behaviour.

That being said he's unlikely to be punished for anything he may, or may not, have done at this point as the senate are unlikely to vote outside partisan lines. Same as congress. This is how the American system of checks and balances works and they've not satisfied the due process requirements with anything even resembling a compelling argument.

As most of this has taken place in a cloak and dagger fashion the Democrats haven't made a successful case, IMHO, and that's coming from someone who isn't a fan of Donnie to begin with. While I've found interesting testimony from both sides, on his conduct, it's simply turned into another sh*t storm that makes the best of all arguments showing that both sides of the divide aren't fit to lead anything other than lambs to the slaughter.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

1 minute ago, baker boy said:

Chris

Ive been following this impeachment process quite closely, according to some of the top lawyers over there until the articles of impeachment go to the senate then trump hasnt actually been impeached, is that correct

That's correct to my understanding also. Senate won't vote with it so it won't stand and probably won't affect his election campaign as it'll just entrench is supporters/detractors even further.

Moderate America is getting annoyed with this constant bickering and why we're paying them trillions (with a 'T') of dollars to f*ck around and not get anything done. Considering they all hate each other we want to know why they're quietly approving themselves more funding, more wages, and extending warrantless surveillance of Americans by unanimously voting to renew parts of the Patriot Act that were supposed to expire at the beginning of this month. Neither party is cutting debt simply extending the amount of money they can borrow and extort from us.

If you can see the wood for the trees you wouldn't pick a side but yet the entertainment division is in full swing as it always is.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Corbyn question.

Was the election slapping received by the Labour party a rejection of them and their leader, or was it essentially another Brexit referendum?

I honestly wonder whether these strongholds would vote Tory for anything other than Brexit.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

1 minute ago, baker boy said:

A lot of it was down to brexit but some of his promises were far too good to be workable and I think people seen it as a desperate attempt at vote grabbing

Yeah I could see that with a lot of the moderate voters but I know a lot of these strongholds voted for Brexit also and I wonder whether the next time around the Tories will hold these seats or whether they'll flip back. Time will tell I suppose.

[Lenmcharristar 9,841]

9 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Yes. Impeachment removes him from office it doesn't bar him from running again. Only a majority senate vote could place restrictions on any future participation in elections.

Presidents don't control the economy. They're simply the poster boy. The rebound from the 2008 crash is still blowing up the bubble. He's no more responsible for the boom than Bush was for the bust, or Obama was for the record recovery under his watch. Something that's constantly ignored here on THL. It's simply happening on Trump's watch although it can and does sway elections when Americans have more money in their pockets.

Depends how you want to to look at what you've been presented. Asking a foreign government to investigate a political rival is an impeachable offense. Instructing the executive branch to not comply with legal requests from legislative branch is an impeachable offense. Impeachment doesn't have be on the back of criminal conduct it's based purely on whether it's unconstitutional behaviour.

That being said he's unlikely to be punished for anything he may, or may not, have done at this point as the senate are unlikely to vote outside partisan lines. Same as congress. This is how the American system of checks and balances works and they've not satisfied the due process requirements with anything even resembling a compelling argument.

As most of this has taken place in a cloak and dagger fashion the Democrats haven't made a successful case, IMHO, and that's coming from someone who isn't a fan of Donnie to begin with. While I've found interesting testimony from both sides, on his conduct, it's simply turned into another sh*t storm that makes the best of all arguments showing that both sides of the divide aren't fit to lead anything other than lambs to the slaughter.

Just seems to me the only thing the demorats are interested in is to achieve the sacking of president trump and nothing else, that to me is worrying as they’re not interested in anything else but avenging killiarys loss, who by the way her hubby bill was the last president to have been impeached.  I’d put money on the don for another win next time too