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[WILF 46,607]

2 hours ago, NEWKID said:

Lol...of course I am, a bit of football banter never hurt anyone..

Mate, I have just sat down and watched your game against city on MOTD.....Ole has them brilliantly drilled, their shape in defence was brilliant and in attack they made options everywhere.

City couldnt  deal with it......now that mate, was Manchester United.

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7 hours ago, WILF said:

Mate, I have just sat down and watched your game against city on MOTD.....Ole has them brilliantly drilled, their shape in defence was brilliant and in attack they made options everywhere.

City couldnt  deal with it......now that mate, was Manchester United.

Not getting carried away at all mate, but I think hes doing a really tidy job.

They look so quick and dangerous when they break, and aren't scared to absorb pressure/defend to allow them to hit sides on the counter...its the way UTD played for years....look.ar the speed of attack when Rooney, Ronaldo and Tevez were breaking.... I'm obviously not directly comparing to that side but I think that's the style of play and speed of movement Ole is bringing...

For the previous 6 years or so, everything was too slow, too obvious and boring.... like you at.West Ham the fans at UTD expect a style of football, I honestly believe we're realistic enough to know a good cup run and a push for Europe is what we should hope for (yes morhino delivered that in his first year...but come the end we had stopped progressing).... I think if Ole can keep moving forward, play the good youth we have coming through, add another striker and midfielder, hes on the right lines...said from.day 1 I hope they stick with him..

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17 hours ago, blackmaggie said:

i dont know if you or wilf have read the thread about football grounds gone but not forgotten but its a really good read it talks about places like filbert st highbury white hart lane upton park burden park ayresome park baseball ground highfield just to name a few and it talks about away days and  memories with some cracking photos of how it was back then  it shows just how fans communites businesses in the surrounding  areas all seemed more tighter than today i know your attendances are up but i wonder how many older westham fans  or fans from other clubs dont bother now  theres a new stadium  but business means as long as you fill the ground and compete with thoses round you  and make a profit that all that  matters it seems 

Is that a thread on here you mean mate ?.....must of missed that i wouldnt mind giving it the once over if you could point me in the right direction 

Since the move i cant even drive past the old ground,even in a black cab i ask the driver to avoid the Green St/Barking Rd junction it just upsets me too much to see it as it is today people show me pictures and tell me about different businesses and locals that have gone and it breaks my heart i have so many memories,friendships and love for the place its like constantly seeing an ex girlfriend you dont want to keep being reminded of what you had ....sad really aint i ......i,ll always be a Hammer and still have a few season tickets at the new place but football will never be the same for me again....and theres a lot of folk like me.

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17 hours ago, WILF said:

Mate, like all of us, I can only view football from my own perspective.

If I only wanted to follow a “big” club I wouldn’t be a West Ham fan would I and I rather resent the accusation......what I am is a football lad and I like to think an honest one.

A football team should be progressing or at least doing something entertaining at what ever level it plays at.

At our old ground we were a club in the top flight of the best league in the world.

We developed some of the best English players ever to grace the game and promptly sold them.

We brought in managers like Fat Sam, Glen Rhoder, Grant etc and let them buy decent first division players and player at the end of their career

All the decent players we never, ever kept.

The excuse was always “we are too small, we don’t have the money to keep these people”

What?...a club that contributed the players that won us the World Cup?, not just played a part....actually won us it !

A club that produced 7 players in the 2010 World Cup squad out of its youth system?

A club that produced the most expensive defender ever at the time?

A club that produced Chelsea’s all time record goal scorer and from mid field into the bargain ?

And we were pleading f***ing poverty all the time!......

So.....the move should have put all that shit to bed.

Fantastic ground, not some piss hole surrounded by pakis like a scene out of Zulu......a place where good players actually want to come to work 

60,000 season tickets and a decent brand to market the merchandise 

It should have meant an end to the excuses and we should have then been able to keep developing players and actually keep them.

What we have is what we have always had and there’s only one reason for it, to stay in the prem and keep getting the revenue from that......f**k the football as long as you stay alive!

For a club like us who have contributed as much as we have to English football that stinks of having no pride about yourself at all !

So yes, I’d rather watch us have some pride about ourselves as a set of players and coaches and fans at a lower level if that is what it takes......I’d rather watch lads knocking their bollocks out for every inch of grass at Sunday league than people going through the motions of just staying alive......that’s a shit attitude to any sport that is mate.

Wilf i dont disagree with what your saying............but again.....you wanted this move so you obviously bought into what the owners were promising.....so why aint you bursting their doors down demanding what you was promised ?...........me im not demanding anything because i didnt believe a word of it in the first place.....i didnt want the move i was happy with what we was,i liked my club........you wanted something bigger and better yet instead of demanding something bigger and better you want back the principals we already had.

David Sullivan lives about 400 yards from me ive spoken to him a number of times as we know a few of the same people etc......he used to drive along get his driver to stop and wind the window down and we,d have a quick natter.....the last few times ive seen him i stick 2 fingers up and carry on straight past... i think he,s getting the message 

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8 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Is that a thread on here you mean mate ?.....must of missed that i wouldnt mind giving it the once over if you could point me in the right direction 

Since the move i cant even drive past the old ground,even in a black cab i ask the driver to avoid the Green St/Barking Rd junction it just upsets me too much to see it as it is today people show me pictures and tell me about different businesses and locals that have gone and it breaks my heart i have so many memories,friendships and love for the place its like constantly seeing an ex girlfriend you dont want to keep being reminded of what you had ....sad really aint i ......i,ll always be a Hammer and still have a few season tickets at the new place but football will never be the same for me again....and theres a lot of folk like me.

Now that I do understand mate and that’s why it’s always going to be hard to have football conversations without that emotion.......football is as much your routine on the day as anything else, same for all of us make no mistake.

But really and truthfully what happens to fans off the pitch has absolutely nothing to do with what happens when the whistle blows......take away the badge and look at it cold really.

Thats all I am doing.......and I understand that it’s a personal way of looking at it.

You said yourself before, if Burt from the pie and mash ain’t playing centre forward you think we have sold out.....I get that mentality I really do but unfortunately it’s not something that fits with sport never mind top level sport.

Sport is the battle mate, it’s the blood and guts of the arena, the weak die and warriors survive......there’s absolutely no room for emotion there.

[WILF 46,607]

3 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

 

David Sullivan lives about 400 yards from me ive spoken to him a number of times as we know a few of the same people etc......he used to drive along get his driver to stop and wind the window down and we,d have a quick natter.....the last few times ive seen him i stick 2 fingers up and carry on straight past... i think he,s getting the message 

Good man, love all that turnout.

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16 hours ago, NEWKID said:

I'm.sure you 2 are "arguing" exactly the same argument from the same side?

You both love West Hams history, you both love what that academy gave to the game and you both have great memories from Upton Park

You both know that the club has employed absolute dross as managers for 10 - 15 years now, and the sides put our resemble that...

So you could've stayed ar the old ground, sang bubbles and watched shit football....

The shit thing is, for both of you and all west ham fans, is you moved to a swanky stadium with no soul and you're still.managed by a dinosaur and playing shit football... 

I think this whole transition wouldve been.a success if there was decent football being played, a decent forward thinking, coherent coach in charge, a cup run, a shout at Europe...etc... that's not making you a "big" club and all the bullshit that goes along with it, and you both (I think) would hate to be classed as a "big" club (I think that's a shit way to describe a club as well, but its unavoidable at times)... it makes you exactly what you should be, a club with aspirations, brand and commercialism is secondary... you should be like the current Leicester, Wolves, Totenham..... but your acting like Southmpton or Watford in a shiny stadium...

Hopefully the bloke gets the boot and your next manager is the right man, I really think that will make a big difference..

I dont want to sound all soppy and sentimental but our club motto was " Moore than just a football club ".....which for my generation it was,it was a community......when the current owners came along i was chuffed to bits i admired David Gold a great deal......but as soon as the new ground was mentioned i was done with them.....its not a new manager thats going to make the difference its new owners.....but the trouble is now for chaps like me is we have gone too far to turn back but not far enough to make change.....this has all been set up for a foreign investor to roll in and sweep us off our feet and thats when we,ll see change.......im as competitive as they come but i want West Ham to win games as West Ham not as a team who play in claret & blue but have no resemblance to the club i fell in love with as a kid.

[WILF 46,607]

 

This was me and the boy Tuesday night watching a cup game in the pissing rain and gales.!! What a f***ing nerd a ? !

Played Stortford who had a decent little left back who is out on loan from Orient.

Decent blood and guts English cup game under lights........really enjoyed it.

[WILF 46,607]

9 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I dont want to sound all soppy and sentimental but our club motto was " Moore than just a football club ".....which for my generation it was,it was a community......when the current owners came along i was chuffed to bits i admired David Gold a great deal......but as soon as the new ground was mentioned i was done with them.....its not a new manager thats going to make the difference its new owners.....but the trouble is now for chaps like me is we have gone too far to turn back but not far enough to make change.....this has all been set up for a foreign investor to roll in and sweep us off our feet and thats when we,ll see change.......im as competitive as they come but i want West Ham to win games as West Ham not as a team who play in claret & blue but have no resemblance to the club i fell in love with as a kid.

Exactly that, and that’s why imho we need one of these young blokes to come in and look at our history, promote out of the youth ranks, play exciting passing football, have a bit of grit, take every cup and league game seriously and most importantly keep the players we bring on and build an attractive side that’s West Ham United from the academy to the first team.......that’s our history and that is how we retain it.

Bringing Rafa Benitez or some shit ain’t going to do that imho mate.

Win or loose, the most important thing is play the right way and with the right attitude.......make it a place people come to watch good football again.

Edited December 14, 2019 by WILF

[blackmaggie 3,376]

35 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

Is that a thread on here you mean mate ?.....must of missed that i wouldnt mind giving it the once over if you could point me in the right direction 

Since the move i cant even drive past the old ground,even in a black cab i ask the driver to avoid the Green St/Barking Rd junction it just upsets me too much to see it as it is today people show me pictures and tell me about different businesses and locals that have gone and it breaks my heart i have so many memories,friendships and love for the place its like constantly seeing an ex girlfriend you dont want to keep being reminded of what you had ....sad really aint i ......i,ll always be a Hammer and still have a few season tickets at the new place but football will never be the same for me again....and theres a lot of folk like me.

its on the westham forum knees up mother brown its a good read for all football fans it does show the level of feeling about the move and imput from other fans to  theres a few like it on other club forums but that ones the best one it does seem most of the older fans from clubs that have moved feel like you nash and some think like wilf i get both sides of it and its interesting how many fans from them clubs now follow a local non league team because of the move 

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bit of a dilemma play attractive footie and lose or play stuffy old park the bus footie and grind out a result.

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16 minutes ago, WILF said:

Exactly that, and that’s why imho we need one of these young blokes to come in and look at our history, promote out of the youth ranks, play exciting passing football, have a bit of grit, take every cup and league game seriously and most importantly keep the players we bring on and build an attractive side that’s West Ham United from the academy to the first team.......that’s our history and that is how we retain it.

Bringing Rafa Benitez or some shit ain’t going to do that imho mate.

Win or loose, the most important thing is play the right way and with the right attitude.......make it a place people come to watch good football again.

If Rafa could do what he did with Newcastle despite the owner asset stripping the club then think what he could do with a club that has an owner who actually wants the club to succeed on the pitch like the Leicester owner does.

I think that West Ham's problems might be at board level. Are the owners committed to the football club like the fans are or are they looking at it as a cash cow?

[gnasher16 30,025]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Now that I do understand mate and that’s why it’s always going to be hard to have football conversations without that emotion.......football is as much your routine on the day as anything else, same for all of us make no mistake.

But really and truthfully what happens to fans off the pitch has absolutely nothing to do with what happens when the whistle blows......take away the badge and look at it cold really.

Thats all I am doing.......and I understand that it’s a personal way of looking at it.

You said yourself before, if Burt from the pie and mash ain’t playing centre forward you think we have sold out.....I get that mentality I really do but unfortunately it’s not something that fits with sport never mind top level sport.

Sport is the battle mate, it’s the blood and guts of the arena, the weak die and warriors survive......there’s absolutely no room for emotion there.

You are making my points for me Wilf....ultimately the move was about success on the pitch....no ?.....taking us onto the next level .....no ?......attracting the worlds great players.....no ?....... thats the reasons you all gave for supporting the move.

Well where is it ?.....your " when the whistle blows,the battle,the blood and guts of the arena " ....all sounds nice and gritty but we,re in a relegation battle ffs....as a sporting competitor we,ve gone backwards 

 

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59 minutes ago, WILF said:

Exactly that, and that’s why imho we need one of these young blokes to come in and look at our history, promote out of the youth ranks, play exciting passing football, have a bit of grit, take every cup and league game seriously and most importantly keep the players we bring on and build an attractive side that’s West Ham United from the academy to the first team.......that’s our history and that is how we retain it.

Bringing Rafa Benitez or some shit ain’t going to do that imho mate.

Win or loose, the most important thing is play the right way and with the right attitude.......make it a place people come to watch good football again.

LIke we used to in the good old days you mean 

[gnasher16 30,025]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Exactly that, and that’s why imho we need one of these young blokes to come in and look at our history, promote out of the youth ranks, play exciting passing football, have a bit of grit, take every cup and league game seriously and most importantly keep the players we bring on and build an attractive side that’s West Ham United from the academy to the first team.......that’s our history and that is how we retain it.

Bringing Rafa Benitez or some shit ain’t going to do that imho mate.

Win or loose, the most important thing is play the right way and with the right attitude.......make it a place people come to watch good football again.

Wilf im sorry ive got to ask you this as your doing my f****n swede in now 

Why on earth did you want to move to a big ground and become a big club attracting big players that will take us to the next level......if you now want everything we already had at the old place ?