Liverpool

[WILF 46,786]

5 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

I read a book about football scouts; 'The Nowhere Men'  and it dealt with how clubs assess players before taking them on. Attitude was one of the main criteria. But you wouldn't know that looking at how some players behave. So the scouts and those who make the final decisions in some cases are getting it badly wrong.

I am obviously missing it, but I don't see the young talent coming through at West Ham like you do at ManU, Chelsea and City. And they don't seem to be making the same quality purchases that Leicester have managed. Even Newcastle have brought in good players on the cheap.

Mate, my point is, it’s all there already........we just need to know how to use it.

We don’t need to lay out bundles of money to field a team the fans can get behind, we have it all already.

Sheffield are proving my point rather nicely this season don’t you think ?

Edited to add;

The change in the rule about academy players and distance from clubs was a killer for a lot of clubs, it meant that the likes of Chelsea, Unt and City could just come in and cherry pick the best  youth.

Edited November 25, 2019 by WILF

[Nicepix 5,650]

Yes, the Blades are surprising a lot of people. Including their own fans

I can't help comparing them to the Crazy Gang though. Eventually though, they can't keep it up. I really hope that they have a great December as I think that January might be a tough month for them. But at least they will be safe by then.

I don't rate that Yarmolenko and I  don't see what you can see in Anderson, Lanzini and Snodgrass for example. For me, Lanzini whilst brilliant on his day is too fragile, Antonio has not had the chance to perform to his capabilities due to one thing and another but the others for me are Championship players. I must be missing something. 

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2 hours ago, WILF said:

Don’t know if I said it on here or in a conversation with a pal mate but I was never impressed with the appointment of Pellergrini, early this season I thought I been proved wrong but it’s seems not.

These old hat managers are exactly that, old hat.....football is moving on pal imho 

Now they are talking about Benitez and Chris Houghton and all that shit......and I have my head in my hands like “for f**k sake” 

So, our ambition moving from Upton Park was to be like Brighton or Newcastle was it? .......f***ing brilliant, you couldn’t make it up.

That performance Saturday was no better than a pre season games I watched 2 years ago against Man City.......if it had of been City it would have been 6-0 just like it was in that pre season game.

So, in 2 years we have not progressed at all.

As I keep saying, in coaching terms, young Frank is pulling up trees at Chelsea.......there’s plenty of young coaches doing likewise.

The answer is there in front of all our faces mate.

Certainly time for a change imo...and I hate the chopping and changing of modern managers, Eddie Howe would be a good fit for you I reckon...

Keep your hands off Poch.though..lol

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1 hour ago, Nicepix said:

I think that Frank is doing brilliantly. But, compared to West Ham he has a lot of young talent already on the books. I read a couple of years ago that Chelsea had about twenty or thirty youngsters out on loan all over Europe. It is a different set up altogether and to be honest you need to set your sights a bit lower. Brighton have done very well with limited budgets, as have Burnley and Bournemouth, but have they got any quality youngsters coming through to continue beyond the current squads? If they haven't then they need a really good scouting network lke Leicester have to bring in the likes of Mahrez, Tielemans, Ndidi and  Soyuncu for peanuts. Same with wolves; they have bought some cracking players for little money.

I realise that the Hammers have had a lot of bad luck - Payet, Ayew, Carroll and Little Pea for example but they don't seem to be bringing in quality youngsters or cheap talent. And that isn't Pellegrini's fault. That lies higher up.

Good post mate

[Blackmag 6,080]

How long do you think ole will be there kid and can you see any improvement from Jose time there given there record since they went on that great run 

Edited November 25, 2019 by Blackmag

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10 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Yes, the Blades are surprising a lot of people. Including their own fans

I can't help comparing them to the Crazy Gang though. Eventually though, they can't keep it up. I really hope that they have a great December as I think that January might be a tough month for them. But at least they will be safe by then.

I don't rate that Yarmolenko and I  don't see what you can see in Anderson, Lanzini and Snodgrass for example. For me, Lanzini whilst brilliant on his day is too fragile, Antonio has not had the chance to perform to his capabilities due to one thing and another but the others for me are Championship players. I must be missing something. 

I thought Lanzini was fantastic a few years back, in fact I thought he would go on to one of the big clubs (sorry wilf , Gnash but you know what I mean), he was like a mahrez type for west ham, and filled the gap left bu payet..... but hes fell off a cliff, is that bad management?

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5 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

How long do you think ole will be there kid and can you see any improvement from Jose time there given there record since they went on that great run 

Honestly.... I think he knows how big the job is and he is bleeding youth now, I like that personally.... there is some quality young lads there, but they wont compete for a few years yet.... can he buy his way to compete?? Imo no.... liverpool and City are too far ahead, and teams like Leicester and wolves have built very good sides to challenge for European places.... but I hope they stick with him, I might be a minority voice, but UTD need to remember a few core values and he needs time.. I know the result yesterday wasnt the best, but that 2nd half reminded me a bit of the old get at em attitude, Morhinos sides never seemed to change gear...ole made good changes tactically and that was very encouraging for me... utd fans need to realise the glory days are gone for now, we need to get behind these young lads and young manager imo..

 

[WILF 46,786]

2 hours ago, Blackmag said:

Who would you fancy them Cowley lads wilf 

Sorry mate, didn’t see this earlier.

Yes mate, that’s absolutely the sort of thing I’m talking about.

[WILF 46,786]

36 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Yes, the Blades are surprising a lot of people. Including their own fans

I can't help comparing them to the Crazy Gang though. Eventually though, they can't keep it up. I really hope that they have a great December as I think that January might be a tough month for them. But at least they will be safe by then.

I don't rate that Yarmolenko and I  don't see what you can see in Anderson, Lanzini and Snodgrass for example. For me, Lanzini whilst brilliant on his day is too fragile, Antonio has not had the chance to perform to his capabilities due to one thing and another but the others for me are Championship players. I must be missing something. 

Thing is mate, with the top quality professional people these clubs have in place there’s no reason to be fragile.

These players have the best people in the business to help them get where they need to be.

Somebody isn’t doing their job right somewhere........hope that makes sense.

When Christiano Ronaldo went to Unt he went to the coaching, medical and catering staff and said “I want you to make me the best player in the world”......and they did ! 
Mindset & attention to details coupled with a bit of talent.

Good coaches will make players achieve and believe things they never thought possible, they will believe in a player when he stops believing in himself.....they will make ordinary good, and good outstanding.

Its what they are meant to do.  

It really is as simple as that.

Edited November 25, 2019 by WILF

[NEWKID 27,143]

7 minutes ago, WILF said:

Thing is mate, with the top quality professional people these clubs have in place there’s no reason to be fragile.

These players have the best people in the business to help them get where they need to be.

Somebody isn’t doing their job right somewhere........hope that makes sense.

When Christiano Ronaldo went to Unt he went to the coaching, medical and catering staff and said “I want you to make me the best player in the world”......and they did ! 
Mindset & attention to details coupled with a bit of talent.

Good coaches will make players achieve and believe things they never thought possible, they will believe in a player when he stops believing in himself.....they will make ordinary good, and good outstanding.

Its what they are meant to do.  

It really is as simple as that.

When a manager let's possibly the most clinical finisher in the world move on to protect a young lad that has raw talent beyond belief, that's true management....

Fergie knew what he had with Ronaldo and he wasnt prepared to let anything stop that progression....

[WILF 46,786]

38 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

I thought Lanzini was fantastic a few years back, in fact I thought he would go on to one of the big clubs (sorry wilf , Gnash but you know what I mean), he was like a mahrez type for west ham, and filled the gap left bu payet..... but hes fell off a cliff, is that bad management?

As you well know mate, football and football clubs are an all round thing.....you want to play football that players want to play and in so doing be a club players want to play for and stay at.......it’s creating an atmosphere and culture that’s important.

Players come to clubs like us for a reason, at the moment that reason is that it’s where they can have a job in Europe and the premier league.......they don’t come to us because we are West Ham united or because the football is so attractive they are going to enjoy it, they come for a job and nothing more.

That is what needs to change, I don’t want the best players in the world and I don’t want to win the league (Well, I do but only in my dreams Lol ) I just want players that love playing football at the club and make us love watching them love it.

Edited November 25, 2019 by WILF

[WILF 46,786]

2 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

When a manager let's possibly the most clinical finisher in the world move on to protect a young lad that has raw talent beyond belief, that's true management....

Fergie knew what he had with Ronaldo and he wasnt prepared to let anything stop that progression....

Well, when a lad says that to the staff and you can see he means it then you know you have a player round you mate  

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3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Well, when a lad says that to the staff and you can see he means it then you know you have a player round you mate  

I remember him falling over every game and generally playing up in the early days, I'll admit I couldn't see it from afar....but they knew what they had, and Ronaldo knew what he wanted to be... imo he is the best player ever to play the game, he is an absolute freak of nature but it's his sheer desire and relentless drive to be the best that I love.... I'd have him back.at utd at 40 mate lol

[WILF 46,786]

1 minute ago, NEWKID said:

I remember him falling over every game and generally playing up in the early days, I'll admit I couldn't see it from afar....but they knew what they had, and Ronaldo knew what he wanted to be... imo he is the best player ever to play the game, he is an absolute freak of nature but it's his sheer desire and relentless drive to be the best that I love.... I'd have him back.at utd at 40 mate lol

I think the thing you have to respect him for is, he built himself.

Messi was born with his talent and obviously worked very hard too, but Ronaldo actually took himself from mediocre to the player he is now by sheer will, determination and hard work......you absolutely have to say that is his greatest gift to any aspiring young player.

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1 minute ago, WILF said:

I think the thing you have to respect him for is, he built himself.

Messi was born with his talent and obviously worked very hard too, but Ronaldo actually took himself from mediocre to the player he is now by sheer will, determination and hard work......you absolutely have to say that is his greatest gift to any aspiring young player.

Absolutely mate.... messi is a fantastic player, no doubt...and football fans will argue over who's the best out of them forever.... but as you rightly say, Ronaldos sheer will and graft to be the best makes him the best imo...