Bedlington x Greyhound

[nothernlite 18,076]

7 hours ago, budgie123 said:

The secret to this cross is without doubt the quality of the Bedlington used.

If the dog you are talking about is a genuine rillington bred dog then you could be onto a winner.

My mate bred a litter out of newcombes blue when George was still alive and every dog out of the litter were exceptional workers taking all quarry and my mates was also highly trained.

Lads who got pups out of this litter were coming back for years to try and get another.

In respect to your comments about the greyhound my major concern would be the line of breeding of the greyhound in respect to soundness and lack of long term injuries within that line of breeding not just the dog you are using.

A friend much more knowledgeable than me about greyhounds only ever uses a certain line of greyhounds for breeding lurchers in respect to throwing dogs which are sound.

His words the line is tough as old boots.

Your comments about it being a fighter so throwing a gamer dog are irrelevant if the Bedlington is genuine rillington  bred dog the pups will be game.

Neil Beacon is the only person who I have come across who had genuine rillington Bedlington's they were a superb stamp of Bedlington with my mate having a dog out of his breeding.

It has been a good rabbiting dog with it being the best constructed and coated genuine first cross I have ever seen.

I have seen a lot of talk on here about rillington bedlingtons but nobody seems to know where they went when George Died.

In respect to size of genuine first cross bedlingtons 22 inch seems to be about standard for the ones I have had and also my mates.

Even the dog he had out of newcombes blue which was tall for a Bedlington was only 22 inch his one of Neil Beacon was 22 inch one from hearbreak fell  kennels he had was 22 inch one I had from heartbreak fell kennels was 22 inch and my current dog bread out of a Gutchcommon bred dog with genuine pedigree is 22 inch all dogs. 

My current dog is an excellent rabbiting dog and both dogs have been superb dogs to live with but not as good a coat as the Neil Bacon dog.

The marking and scenting of my current dog is excellent with dozens and dozens of rabbits have gone  into the bag due to this. Some of the lines and takes he has done across the moor we ferret on unseen rabbits amazes me. Also we ferret some massive sets and when you think it is cleared and you turn round and see him marking single holes which deliver more to the bag happens every time out.

I don't work any other quarry but a litter brother to mine took all quarry with a lad in the north east again only 22 inch.

 

If the breeding of the Bedlington can be verified you will be inundated with pup request there has been loads of people on here looking for genuine first cross Belington Greyhounds year after year with no success as the Bedlington gene pool is so small today unfortunately.

So many litters advertised when you look deeper into them are not genuine first cross and I would question anything that was over 23 inch as being first cross.

Good luck with this and I look forward to seeing your pictures of the Bedlington.

ALTB Martin.

 

Cracking post martin can you put some pictures of your dogs up does neil still bred his line anymore ??

 

 

 

 

[poxon 5,718]

In my eyes the breeding and ability has to be there on both sides for the breeding for it to gel

[Dbod 58]

I intend when I meet up with this man that owns this working Bedlington to take a few pictures of the dog,would be nice to take a few of the dog working as well,but I have to ask first as a lot wouldn't like the thought of their dogs being posted online,i also am looking for the pedigree on this dog,hopefully its as he said it has rellington blood lines,

as for the greyhound I intend to use,i have a choice of 3,2 track dogs that have injured themselves and the vet told the trainer to put to sleep as they wouldn't race again,i would like a coursing greyhound bitch,and you would know lads I might be lucky as it will be next year before [if everything goes to plan] before I breed as I want summer pups.

great post Martin,enjoyed the read.

[bird 9,861]

1 minute ago, Dbod said:

I intend when I meet up with this man that owns this working Bedlington to take a few pictures of the dog,would be nice to take a few of the dog working as well,but I have to ask first as a lot wouldn't like the thought of their dogs being posted online,i also am looking for the pedigree on this dog,hopefully its as he said it has rellington blood lines,

as for the greyhound I intend to use,i have a choice of 3,2 track dogs that have injured themselves and the vet told the trainer to put to sleep as they wouldn't race again,i would like a coursing greyhound bitch,and you would know lads I might be lucky as it will be next year before [if everything goes to plan] before I breed as I want summer pups.

great post Martin,enjoyed the read.

ever thought of a wheaten x grey  or wheathen x lurcher, i like the 1x beddy x grey, but as you say not many get bred this way , but like you say you like a dog to tackle teeth as well, well most wheatenxs will be up for that, and 2nd you might get a better chance of finding a pup from the latter breeding .  the only thing put  me off the wheaten x lurchers more so back to a grey, that they can be dog aggressive , more so than pitx greys, i had 3 pit x greys, and mine were ok with other dogs no prob.  just a thought , as a wheaten x grey say 1/4 wheaten 3/4 grey  make good alrounder .

[Dbod 58]

Bird,

I always fancied breeding this cross [Bedlington x greyhound] so my mind is set on breed,i knew a chap in Dublin Ireland that bred wheaton greyhound to a greyhound and the pups turned out really nice,good all rounders,bred off a genuine wheaton greyhound,a hard dog,not fast enough for a hare but for a dog for the lamp on either fox or rabbit he exceled,or to mark warrens or earths he never proved his owner wrong,and the greyhound that he used was a bitch that was banned off the track for fighting.the pups turned out rough and smooth and some were really show stoppers,but my mind is made up and this is the breed or lurcher I want,so this will be my starting point of my lurcher breeding program.

[poxon 5,718]

27 minutes ago, Dbod said:

Bird,

I always fancied breeding this cross [Bedlington x greyhound] so my mind is set on breed,i knew a chap in Dublin Ireland that bred wheaton greyhound to a greyhound and the pups turned out really nice,good all rounders,bred off a genuine wheaton greyhound,a hard dog,not fast enough for a hare but for a dog for the lamp on either fox or rabbit he exceled,or to mark warrens or earths he never proved his owner wrong,and the greyhound that he used was a bitch that was banned off the track for fighting.the pups turned out rough and smooth and some were really show stoppers,but my mind is made up and this is the breed or lurcher I want,so this will be my starting point of my lurcher breeding program.

Are you going to be line breeding bedlington greyhounds mate or just type breeding or f1 only mate? I’d really like to see how your program gets on fella 

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Dbod, I like to hear that phrase from a man,..."My mind is made up and this is the breed of lurcher I want"......

Having taken a walk on the wild side my self, (many times) I can only advise you to be single-minded and to remain, steadfast and determined. 

I wish you well in your endeavour.

[shaaark 10,694]

14 minutes ago, Phil Lloyd said:

Dbod, I like to hear that phrase from a man,..."My mind is made up and this is the breed of lurcher I want"......

Having taken a walk on the wild side my self, (many times) I can only advise you to be single-minded and to remain, steadfast and determined. 

I wish you well in your endeavour.

100% with you there phil. Have strayed from my 'favoured' path a few times re dogs, and you just don't 'get the feeling'

[budgie123 163]

Neil Beacon from Staffs no longer breeds Bedlington Crosses he got into trouble with his local council and there was some bad press on here about dogs.

I can only speak for what I saw when my mate got his dog.

The Bedlington stud dog was a superb stamp strong and an excellent coat.

The litter I saw were superb well cared for and a credit to the man.

Like already said the dog my mate has is as good a first cross as I have ever seen robust and a coat I have not seen on any other first cross.

Nobody seems to know where the bedlingtons went but they were genuine rillington bred.

The most important issue in this breed is the Bedlington and the versatility, toughness and tractability make them such a versatile cross.

Another issue when you live around other people is having a dog which kennels well.

The first one I had lived to 13 and 1/2 and I never in all them years heard him bark and my current one is 5 this year and I have never heard him bark and my mates have been all the same.

[chrisbullx 2,541]

8 hours ago, bird said:

ever thought of a wheaten x grey  or wheathen x lurcher, i like the 1x beddy x grey, but as you say not many get bred this way , but like you say you like a dog to tackle teeth as well, well most wheatenxs will be up for that, and 2nd you might get a better chance of finding a pup from the latter breeding .  the only thing put  me off the wheaten x lurchers more so back to a grey, that they can be dog aggressive , more so than pitx greys, i had 3 pit x greys, and mine were ok with other dogs no prob.  just a thought , as a wheaten x grey say 1/4 wheaten 3/4 grey  make good alrounder .

Wheatenx are as same as any breed brought up the right way they won't fight I've had a good few & been around enough to know that if socialised from pups they sound with other dogs & i know that bad owners blame dogs for they own faults atb cbx 

[Dbod 58]

Well lads thanks for the replies,

this is the breed I want and this is what I am going for,my plan for my first litter of pups if all goes well is to keep two bitches back for my selg,my other hunting buddy will take a dog pup and another friend will take either a dog or bitch,i don't expect the first cross to be world beaters but I do want them to be a pot filler,i want them to be able and fast enough to catch bolting rabbits from cover,take rabbits off the lamp and if the opportunity arises be well able to take fox,i don't want them or expect them to be top hare killers as I don't think this first cross would be able to come to terms with a hare,within the 4 pups that are kept,the best of them weather it be the dog or bitches  will be bred when they are 2 to 3 years old and I will use greyhound blood to go up a step and produce a 3/4 bred greyhound 1/4 Bedlington,but that's where it stops,the 3/4 bred is as far as I use greyhound blood,would like later on to cross a the quarter bred  to a half bred to produce a 5/8 3/8s Bedlington greyhound, if by chance any of these crosses were all rounders and the breed was needed to carry on the I would be thinking of line breeding,and all my breeding will be kept and logged for future reference,....so that's the plan...maybe in ten years I can come back and say I have produced a good one.... so my motto is...……. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY  

[Dbod 58]

1 minute ago, Dbod said:

Well lads thanks for the replies,

this is the breed I want and this is what I am going for,my plan for my first litter of pups if all goes well is to keep two bitches back for my selg,my other hunting buddy will take a dog pup and another friend will take either a dog or bitch,i don't expect the first cross to be world beaters but I do want them to be a pot filler,i want them to be able and fast enough to catch bolting rabbits from cover,take rabbits off the lamp and if the opportunity arises be well able to take fox,i don't want them or expect them to be top hare killers as I don't think this first cross would be able to come to terms with a hare,within the 4 pups that are kept,the best of them weather it be the dog or bitches  will be bred when they are 2 to 3 years old and I will use greyhound blood to go up a step and produce a 3/4 bred greyhound 1/4 Bedlington,but that's where it stops,the 3/4 bred is as far as I use greyhound blood,would like later on to cross a three quarter bred  to a half bred to produce a 5/8 3/8s Bedlington greyhound, if by chance any of these crosses were all rounders and the breed was needed to carry on the I would be thinking of line breeding,and all my breeding will be kept and logged for future reference,....so that's the plan...maybe in ten years I can come back and say I have produced a good one.... so my motto is...……. WHERE THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY  

 

[nothernlite 18,076]

Is that what your aiming a 3/8 beddy 5/8 greyhound ?

[Dbod 58]

12 minutes ago, nothernlite said:

Is that what your aiming a 3/8 beddy 5/8 greyhound ?

after I breed the the first cross and the second cross,i will try the 5/8 greyhound 3/8 beddy just to see what this type produces

 

[Bosun11 537]

Fair play to ya Dbod, like Phil said, you got a plan and your sticking with it and in a world of swappers, changers and grass is always greeners, thats a refreshing change....

Stick with the programme... I wish you well...